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Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:41 am
I received this in my inbox from moveon.org. I thought I'd pass it along. I have verified some of it's content but not all. Reader discretion is advised.
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Dear MoveOn member,
Yesterday was John McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for "inexperience," here's who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.
Huh?
Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:
* She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1
* Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2
* She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3
* Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4
* She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5
* She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6
* How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7
This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.
We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample:
She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK
She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK
As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK
Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK
She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK
I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK
So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares John McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced.
In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country.
In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family.
Thanks for all you do.
–Ilyse, Noah, Justin, Karin and the rest of the team
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infidelguy Site Admin
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Posted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:08 am
Just found this quick gem on youtube. Palin doesn't know what a VP does. Can there be any more evidence needed that she just isn't cut out for this job? This truly shows that McCain is only concerned about winning and not the American people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mswB5lXhEh4&feature=related
How dare he pick such an idiot for VP. This is truly a travesty and embarrassment.
Where's Saitou?
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Gedd Newbie
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Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:08 am
Yes I got that email from moveon as well and watched the video on youtube. I was really amazed at the way she presented her self(she seems clueless). Having her as the VP would be just insane considering her lack of experience and her stance on all of the issues, and not to mention the fact that John McCain is 73 years old and could die before his term is up.
Teredona Newbie First Class
Joined: May 02, 2008
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Posted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:15 pm
She does seem like a very odd choice. Let's see how well she does in the Vice Presidential debate.
infidelguy Site Admin
Joined: Feb 21, 1999
Posts: 5140
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:24 pm
Gedd wrote:
Yes I got that email from moveon as well and watched the video on youtube. I was really amazed at the way she presented her self(she seems clueless). Having her as the VP would be just insane considering her lack of experience and her stance on all of the issues, and not to mention the fact that John McCain is 73 years old and could die before his term is up.
That just might be what they are banking on.
Cygnus Graduate Thinker
Joined: Mar 26, 2008
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Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:18 pm
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"We support giving Creation Science equal representation with other theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught, it should be presented as only a theory."
That right there scared me. Typical Xian fundy troll who doesn't even know what a theory is, much less what evolution is. Just like our current president.
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Cygnus Graduate Thinker
Joined: Mar 26, 2008
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Posted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:21 pm
I think I liked Obama's choice of VP better.
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royevans Just Arrived
Joined: Aug 29, 2008
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Posted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:48 am
[quote="infidelguy"]
Gedd wrote:
Yes I got that email from moveon as well and watched the video on youtube. I was really amazed at the way she presented her self(she seems clueless). Having her as the VP would be just insane considering her lack of experience and her stance on all of the issues, and not to mention the fact that
John McCain is 73 years old and could die before his term is up.
All the better, to control her once she becomes the President, seems like they will do anything to make the first woman president republican instead of democrat.....or maybe they just need someone even lower than bush for that "see he is not so bad" thing after his term is over.
Olio Graduate Thinker
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Posts: 868
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posted:
Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:14 pm
Republicans have reached an all time low.....
SvZurich Forum Master
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Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:27 pm
Welcome Gedd and RoyEvans!
I like Biden, but I am annoyed at how he is pro-Georgia (Georgia started the conflict with Russia by attacking South Ossetia and the Russian Peacekeepers) and how he supported the Iraq invasion, claiming there were WMDs when he knew better.
Brian37 Master of Logic
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Posted:
Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:55 am
infidelguy wrote:
Gedd wrote:
Yes I got that email from moveon as well and watched the video on youtube. I was really amazed at the way she presented her self(she seems clueless). Having her as the VP would be just insane considering her lack of experience and her stance on all of the issues, and not to mention the fact that John McCain is 73 years old and could die before his term is up.
That just might be what they are banking on.
Anyone that knows me knows I wouldn't vote Republican if my life depended on it merely because the right wing wants to go back to pre-Constitutional coloinal theistic tribalism.
But, If you look at the "Experience" of McCain's VP vs the "Experience" of Bush or Obama or any other president in U.S. History, can someone tell me how you get experience at being a president when you can only serve 2 terms and cant run for president after that?
Every president started their job without any experience being president. I don't look at "never being president" before as an exclusion for not voting for someone, otherwise we would live under a dictatorship where a president is elected for life.
JFK wasn't President before he became President. It can only be on the job training, be it a Senator who has been in congress for 30 years, which both libs and cons don't seem to like because the both pander to big business and special interest. So we seem to want to look at outsiders who wont pull the same corporate bullcrap that both parties pander to.
I am not rejecting her because of her "inexperiance" because Obama has only slightly more. I reject her because she belongs to a party that wants to truely make America a Jesus owned government.
I do think that all presidents in our history are newbies in their first term, but the difference between good presidents and bad ones is who they surround themselves with.
Somebody should ask Sarah Palin where she thinks natural gas comes from!
According to her Creationist beliefs it's lying in pockets underground as a result of the Flood, which happened less than 10,000 years ago.
I wonder if the petrochemical BIG BOYS who want to drill for and pipe the stuff believe that too and use Creationist Geology to locate it as well?
Here's the stumbling block with Creationism.
Believing in it is fine but trying to apply it in big business where people's jobs, wages and future livelihoods are on the line is another thing.
The proof that athiestic science is right is that can consistently produce results. Ask anyone from Exxon if they follow the principles of Creationist Geology in prospecting for new oilfields and gas reservoirs.
No way! There's too much megamoney at stake to **** around with unproven and unprovable faith-based alternatives to real science.
BornAgainAthiest.
MockingGods Philosophical Prodigy
Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 4006
Location: USA
Posted:
Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:22 am
I've notice people who believe in superstitious notions like “creationism”...
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* Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4
... are also jaded enough to believe...
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* She doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5
While I don't believe humans are completely responsible for our climate's current warming trend, the scientific evidence strongly suggests they are the primary cause. To say humans are having no affect is like believing you can escape the earth’s gravity by jumping, and just as absurd as believing in creationism.
It would seem her extreme position on abortion could be exploited for votes for Obama. Whether or not it would make any practical or legal difference down the road, she could be forced into answering some questions that could score points for Obama among moderates. As a radio host mentioned yesterday, if the Democrats really want to play hardball they should talk a great deal about her stance of no exceptions for incest or rape. I imagine they already are, but I wonder how far they will push.
"Your daughter is raped by your son. She gets pregnant. Sarah Palin would prosecute your daughter if she had an abortion... " It will be interesting to see if she'll tone her position down at the risk of alienating the social conservative pro-life crowd that seems to love her.
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