From Science Forum: A response to statements by SJC

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:44 am

SJC wrote:

Quality of life is a matter of needs, happiness is primarily a matter of wants.

Usually with you this is all about health coverage because you believe the hype that without a socialist medical health system the US can be looked down upon.

What does a person need more? Health coverage which the most of the people who have it are not suffering from a condition they can't afford to treat themselves OR happiness without which you are more likely to develop health problems and less likely to even enjoy living?

I'd rather be a US citizen without health coverage than a Cuban with it.

SJC wrote:

But than again you think that life is nothing more than a business opportunity to be exploited, just like everything else. And yes, you are immoral for believing such things. You're not much of a human being.

Nobody thinks that. You confuse the need for labor (jobs) and the value of productivity from that labor (work) as being the same thing as a person. When someone says a job should be eliminated they're not talking about murder. You also are NOT an authority on morals or anyones value as a human being. You are simply a dim-bulb.

SJC wrote:

BTW, America has a higher rate of cancers than Canada does.

Think it has anything to do with our much larger elderly population?

SJC wrote:

And there is the fact that you have the same sort of waits for the same things, you just leave the majority behind in favor of the rich.

Any wait here is negligible and usually simply a matter of the doctor having a full schedule. If a person wishes they can almost always find a doctor available if they're willing to see a different one or travel a little more. And suggesting a majority gets left behind is nonsense. As is suggesting it's in favor of the rich. It's actually a service being provided first to paying customers. How strange!

SJC wrote:

A growing number of Americans don't even have the option to wait in line at all since they're too poor to afford paying for your compassion.

This sentence is sarcastic but it's also ignorant. It's not that expensive to go to a clinic for a simple check-up. The very poor can usually get on government assistance.

SJC wrote:

In other words you put a monetary value on compassion and that is truly immoral.

If something costs money it costs money--even if you wish kindness and compassion made it free.

SJC wrote:

our system is far more compassionate and humane than you're greed based system is which will let people die just because they don't have enough money.

By law people who require emergency care get it regardless of their ability to pay. Our "greed based system"s seem to work well for most things were we have plenty of all that we want and desire. There isn't a shortage of health care providers and medical equipment and supplies here.

SJC wrote:

Where things like Viagra and facelifts are more important than finding cures for real diseases.

What an idiot you are. Where's your compassion for couples that suffer in the manner that Viagra helps? Facelifts are also paid for by people who have self-esteem problems. This is paid for out of their own pocket and not by their health plan.

SJC wrote:

All just to defend your hatred and ignorance.

When I view the forums I see the most venom, hatred, and ignorance coming from you dim-bulb.

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:00 pm

too bad we don't have a forum for "into the darkness" anymore.
extremists need a place to argue with one-another too Rolling Eyes

Grand Poster Joined: Apr 22, 2005 Posts: 1034

Saitou wrote:

SJC wrote:

Quality of life is a matter of needs, happiness is primarily a matter of wants.

Usually with you this is all about health coverage because you believe the hype that without a socialist medical health system the US can be looked down upon.

What does a person need more? Health coverage which the most of the people who have it are not suffering from a condition they can't afford to treat themselves OR happiness without which you are more likely to develop health problems and less likely to even enjoy living?

I'd rather be a US citizen without health coverage than a Cuban with it.

Don't see the relevance of this. Unless you've actually been a Cuban with health coverage you can't make an evidence-based judgement.

Saitou wrote:

SJC wrote:

But than again you think that life is nothing more than a business opportunity to be exploited, just like everything else. And yes, you are immoral for believing such things. You're not much of a human being.

Nobody thinks that. You confuse the need for labor (jobs) and the value of productivity from that labor (work) as being the same thing as a person. When someone says a job should be eliminated they're not talking about murder. You also are NOT an authority on morals or anyones value as a human being. You are simply a dim-bulb.

SJC wrote:

BTW, America has a higher rate of cancers than Canada does.

Think it has anything to do with our much larger elderly population?

And the relevance of age to cancer is...? Answer - it depends on what type of cancer you are discussing. Not all cancers show a correlation between age and incidence.

Saitou wrote:

SJC wrote:

And there is the fact that you have the same sort of waits for the same things, you just leave the majority behind in favor of the rich.

Any wait here is negligible and usually simply a matter of the doctor having a full schedule. If a person wishes they can almost always find a doctor available if they're willing to see a different one or travel a little more. And suggesting a majority gets left behind is nonsense. As is suggesting it's in favor of the rich. It's actually a service being provided first to paying customers. How strange!

SJC wrote:

A growing number of Americans don't even have the option to wait in line at all since they're too poor to afford paying for your compassion.

This sentence is sarcastic but it's also ignorant. It's not that expensive to go to a clinic for a simple check-up. The very poor can usually get on government assistance.

SJC wrote:

In other words you put a monetary value on compassion and that is truly immoral.

If something costs money it costs money--even if you wish kindness and compassion made it free.

SJC wrote:

our system is far more compassionate and humane than you're greed based system is which will let people die just because they don't have enough money.

By law people who require emergency care get it regardless of their ability to pay. Our "greed based system"s seem to work well for most things were we have plenty of all that we want and desire. There isn't a shortage of health care providers and medical equipment and supplies here.

SJC wrote:

Where things like Viagra and facelifts are more important than finding cures for real diseases.

What an idiot you are. Where's your compassion for couples that suffer in the manner that Viagra helps? Facelifts are also paid for by people who have self-esteem problems. This is paid for out of their own pocket and not by their health plan.

SJC wrote:

All just to defend your hatred and ignorance.

When I view the forums I see the most venom, hatred, and ignorance coming from you dim-bulb.

Putting a monetary value on "compassion" (whatever that may be - altruism or enlightened self-interest or utilitarianism?) is not necessarily "immoral" this depends on your own particular moral framework. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the idea of absolute morality - in which case you would argue that it was based on logic and reason, so that, for example:

All cats have four legs.
My dog has four legs.
Therefore, my dog is a cat.

Makes perfect sense, because it is logical, just erroneous in that it makes an inference that everything with four legs is a cat.

Thinker Joined: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 423

Saitou wrote:

Usually with you this is all about health coverage because you believe the hype that without a socialist medical health system the US can be looked down upon.

You're the one who is doing the looking down on. After all, you blame the poor for being poor.

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What does a person need more? Health coverage which the most of the people who have it are not suffering from a condition they can't afford to treat themselves OR happiness without which you are more likely to develop health problems and less likely to even enjoy living?

Accidents happen.

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I'd rather be a US citizen without health coverage than a Cuban with it.

Well, there is a fast growing number in that boat already and they'd toss you overboard.

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Nobody thinks that.

Yes, you do think that and I call you a liar for saying that.

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You confuse the need for labor (jobs) and the value of productivity from that labor (work) as being the same thing as a person. When someone says a job should be eliminated they're not talking about murder.

The way things are going they may as well.

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You also are NOT an authority on morals or anyones value as a human being. You are simply a dim-bulb.

I still know far more about them than you do apparently.

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Think it has anything to do with our much larger elderly population?

Across the board. BTW, Canadians live longer as well, so we have more elderly per capita.

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Any wait here is negligible and usually simply a matter of the doctor having a full schedule.

Nope.

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If a person wishes they can almost always find a doctor available if they're willing to see a different one or travel a little more.

For the right price.....

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And suggesting a majority gets left behind is nonsense. As is suggesting it's in favor of the rich. It's actually a service being provided first to paying customers. How strange!

Thats the problem, they're not customers, they're patients. You just contradicted yourself about claiming not to think that life is a business opportunity.

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This sentence is sarcastic but it's also ignorant. It's not that expensive to go to a clinic for a simple check-up. The very poor can usually get on government assistance.

A growing number still can't afford to get treated or have to go further into debt to pay.

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If something costs money it costs money--even if you wish kindness and compassion made it free.

Our system is not free either. It is paid for in a manner which is easier for most people to handle without hardship. It sure is much better than wasting trillions on a national defense that doesn't actually defend against the first real attack on America.

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By law people who require emergency care get it regardless of their ability to pay.

They shouldn't have to depend on an ER for their medical care, usually by then it is too late.

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Our "greed based system"s seem to work well for most things were we have plenty of all that we want and desire.

Except for things you actually need. Possessions alone make for a very shallow life. Even that is starting to be beyond a growing number of Americans. The so-called 'American Dream' is becoming a thing of the past. Though, it sure is on the raise in Communist China now thanks to Corporate America selling you all out.

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There isn't a shortage of health care providers and medical equipment and supplies here.

Of course not. You have the best health care money can buy...... Rolling Eyes

Its too bad that a growing number of Americans can't buy it.

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What an idiot you are. Where's your compassion for couples that suffer in the manner that Viagra helps? Facelifts are also paid for by people who have self-esteem problems.

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This is paid for out of their own pocket and not by their health plan.

That's why those sort of things are more popular then finding cures for so-called orphaned diseases. They're more profitable.

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When I view the forums I see the most venom, hatred, and ignorance coming from you dim-bulb.

It would help if you weren't looking in a mirror when you say that. As I've stated. I can only feel sorry for you with you hatred of your fellow citizens.... I think more of America than you do.

Just Arrived Joined: Nov 10, 2002 Posts: 4 Location: USA

Saitou wrote:

SJC wrote:

Quality of life is a matter of needs, happiness is primarily a matter of wants.

Usually with you this is all about health coverage because you believe the hype that without a socialist medical health system the US can be looked down upon.

What does a person need more? Health coverage which the most of the people who have it are not suffering from a condition they can't afford to treat themselves OR happiness without which you are more likely to develop health problems and less likely to even enjoy living?

I'd rather be a US citizen without health coverage than a Cuban with it.

Overgeneralize much? Are those really the only choices available on this issue? Why can't you be a US citizen WITH coverage? Why are you automatically comparing the US to Cuba instead of places like Canada or some European nations?

Saitou wrote:

SJC wrote:

And there is the fact that you have the same sort of waits for the same things, you just leave the majority behind in favor of the rich.

Any wait here is negligible and usually simply a matter of the doctor having a full schedule. If a person wishes they can almost always find a doctor available if they're willing to see a different one or travel a little more. And suggesting a majority gets left behind is nonsense. As is suggesting it's in favor of the rich. It's actually a service being provided first to paying customers. How strange!

SJC wrote:

A growing number of Americans don't even have the option to wait in line at all since they're too poor to afford paying for your compassion.

This sentence is sarcastic but it's also ignorant. It's not that expensive to go to a clinic for a simple check-up. The very poor can usually get on government assistance.

It's quite apparent that it's you that is ignorant on this situation. Medical expenses are the prime reason for most of the personal bankruptcies in this nation.

We have freinds whose 14 year old daughter got raped by a 22 year old lowlife and got pregnant. They are stuck paying for the kid's hospital and doctor bills, now many thousands, and they do have health insurance through their employers - but it doesn't cover grandchildren.

The wife of another friend, no health insurance, slipped on their porch steps after a snowfall and broke her ankle. Yes, she got treatment in the Emergency department right away and even got a bed for the night. Then they kicked her out, telling her she needs surgery to set the leg and pin the bones. They needed 25% down to perform the surgery. It was several weeks before she got her surgery while they made arrangements. This was a terrible hardship for both of them since my friend was already disabled and in a wheelchair himself.

Lastly, I work in hospital finance and I can assure you such stories are far from uncommon.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Oct 24, 2005 Posts: 666

This forum sure got quiet after sjc put everyone on ignore.

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:45 pm

He no longer gets to see anything which annihilates his myth, so there's nothing for him to go rabid-foaming about.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Oct 24, 2005 Posts: 666

I've always wondered why he was on the IG boards instead of the II boards. There are people there that make him look like a moderate.

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:09 am

all hail glorious Canada. Its sooooo far away from the united states, politcally and geographically. Anything sjc says has something bad about US and how much better Canada is. Whats funny, and maybe its just my opinion, it seems like its an old neighbor of mine. Lived a house or 2 down but was in a different county. Virtually EVERYTHING (housing type, streets, climate, landscape...you name it) were identical yet he would say how much better he had it living in the better county.

Canada, for the most part, is nearly identical to most of the US, especially northern border areas. Like someone standing on the "line" screaming how much better the weather is 20 feet away because of this imaginary border.

the whole root of any argument has nothing to do with the argument being debated. Its all a ploy to throw a jab at the US and "praise glorious nation of Canada."

This article is you you sjc, if I am not on ignore yet. This is pretty good statistics here showing the similarities of your so fastly different country.

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/simdiff.htm

interesting read for anyone tho. Interesting to know "according to this site at least" that some of sjc health care references are shot to hell Wink

USA! USA! USA! (oh, and i love hockey, fishing, and the outdoors so Canada is ok in my book)

EDIT for spelling Smile

The Learned Joined: Apr 09, 2005 Posts: 186

Since when did every socialist/capitalist discussion become an America/Canada one? Is there really that much difference between the two? The U.S. is extremely socialist as far as I'm concerned. In any event,

SJC, you say that Canadians are virtuous and this is why they have universal health care. If so, why not make the system voluntary? That would work wonders, because it would cut the overhead costs for enforcement, collection, distribution and allocation and therefore there would be more to go around and health care would be improved.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:48 pm

since SJC started posting it turned into that. Go look at his posts. I'll be damned if there isn't at least 1 pro canada statement (off topic or not) and or a jab at the US. Was just statin' the obvious that his discussion have all to do with where he lives.


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