As I had said. There is no valid doubt about global warming now. Some will still try to deny this fact, but than again the Flat Earth Society still exists as well....
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Human-caused global warming is here -- visible in the air, water and melting ice -- and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative global scientific report will warn next week.
"The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak," said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. "The evidence ... is compelling."
Andrew Weaver, a Canadian climate scientist and study co-author, went even further: "This isn't a smoking gun; climate is a batallion of intergalactic smoking missiles."
The first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is being released in Paris next week.
This segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries, includes "a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate," said co-chair Susan Solomon a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report Monday.
That report will feature an "explosion of new data" on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.
Solomon and others wouldn't go into specifics about what the report says.
They said that the 12-page summary for policymakers will be edited in secret word-by-word by governments officials for several days next week and released to the public on February 2. The rest of that first report from scientists will come out months later.
The full report will be issued in four phases over the year, as was the case with the last IPCC report, issued in 2001.
Global warming is "happening now, it's very obvious," said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab. "When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer."
Look for an "iconic statement" -- a simple but strong and unequivocal summary -- on how global warming is now occurring, said one of the authors, Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, also in Boulder.
The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.
An early version of the ever-changing draft report said "observations of coherent warming in the global atmosphere, in the ocean, and in snow and ice now provide stronger joint evidence of warming."
And the early draft adds: "An increasing body of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on other aspects of climate including sea ice, heat waves and other extremes, circulation, storm tracks and precipitation."
The world's global average temperature has risen about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit from 1901 to 2005. The two warmest years on record for the world were 2005 and 1998. Last year was the hottest year on record for the United States.
The report will draw on already published peer-review science. Some recent scientific studies show that temperatures are the hottest in thousands of years, especially during the last 30 years; ice sheets in Greenland in the past couple years have shown a dramatic melting; and sea levels are rising and doing so at a faster rate in the past decade.
Also, the second part of the international climate panel's report -- to be released in April -- will for the first time feature a blockbuster chapter on how global warming is already changing health, species, engineering and food production, said NASA scientist Cynthia Rosenzweig, author of that chapter.
As confident as scientists are about the global warming effects that they've already documented, they are as gloomy about the future and even hotter weather and higher sea level rises.
Predictions for the future of global warming in the report are based on 19 computer models, about twice as many as in the past, Solomon said.
In 2001, the panel said the world's average temperature would increase somewhere between 2.5 and 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit and the sea level would rise between 4 inches and 35 inches by the year 2100. The 2007 report will likely have a smaller range of numbers for both predictions, Pachauri and other scientists said.
The future is bleak, scientists said.
"We have barely started down this path," said chapter co-author Richard Alley of Penn State University.
The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.
This part made me chuckle,
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The future is bleak, scientists said.
Fuckin' liberals. The future is always bleak and things are always the worst ever.
sjc Thinker
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:46 am
Saitou wrote:
The entire article is crap except,
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The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.
This part made me chuckle,
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The future is bleak, scientists said.
Fuckin' liberals. The future is always bleak and things are always the worst ever.
Here. They're looking for new members, with the faith to ignore reality in light of mountains worth of evidence, like you;
Please. What a joke. I happen to know the earth is actually a cube. That's right--A cube.
sjc wrote:
As far as I'm concerned you're now a KnoB. (The K is silent)
Far far better to be a KnoB than to be a dim-bulb such as yourself.
sjc Thinker
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:17 am
Saitou wrote:
Far far better to be a KnoB than to be a dim-bulb such as yourself.
And here I thought that you were smarter than that. You can't even come up with your own material. You have to steal from another.
I guess that truly does makes you a Corporatarian after all. :tomato:
I can see why you'd identify with KnoB since you're both abject failures at being human beings.
kmisho Grand Poster
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:55 pm
Saitou wrote:
The entire article is crap except,
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The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.
This part made me chuckle,
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The future is bleak, scientists said.
Fuckin' liberals. The future is always bleak and things are always the worst ever.
That's a blatant lie.
How is the whitehouse staff travelling around and telling eveyone we have to spend zillions of dollars of the next hundreds of years to avoid 'mushroom clouds over new york' not bleak?
I know: when liberals are hoest about problems, they're being negative. When conservatives are being honest about problems, their just being honest.
bull...
Saitou Master of Logic
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:36 am
sjc wrote:
Saitou wrote:
Far far better to be a KnoB than to be a dim-bulb such as yourself.
I can see why you'd identify with KnoB since you're both abject failures at being human beings.
At least we KnoBs support ourselves and contribute to society unlike a certain dim-bulb and socialist parasite.
I know you like to hurl insults and make unsupported assertions since making an actual argument is beyond you but really should we stop before we annoy others? I think you're funny dim-bulb but others might look at us as a 300 pound giant (me) picking on a 100 pound weakling (you dim-bulb).
tinker683 Thinker
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:06 am
Saitou wrote:
I think you're funny dim-bulb but others might look at us as a 300 pound giant (me) picking on a 100 pound weakling (you dim-bulb).
And here you were telling me you fit well into your pants. HAX!
(There, thats my useless bit of pedantry to add to this thread)
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sjc Thinker
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:08 am
Saitou wrote:
At least we KnoBs support ourselves and contribute to society unlike a certain dim-bulb and socialist parasite.
Your quality of life is on the decline. I feel sorry for you as well. I even feel more sorry for the hell that your children are going to have to live in eventually, what with the way things are going in the USA. They'll probably end up being prisoners of walled off communities to keep out the rest of America. In other words, in the end you're an unfit parent to create such a future for them. After all, you have shown that you really do hate the rest of your country. Let's hope that the democrats can fix your selfish Corporatarian mess before it is too late.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights which the USA agreed upon, but of course feels that it doesn't have to honor, like most of their many other agreements. Soon there will be a small minority of the very rich and a large majority of the very poor in America with the way things are going now.
sjc Thinker
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:35 am
I just heard that Bush wants to redefine the meaning of Alternative Fuels to remove the term renewable so he can include liquid coal as an alternative fuel. The problem with that is that you get the same mileage, but twice the pollution as well, and of course it is non-renewable and you're right back to the same problems as oil.
sjc Thinker
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:41 am
I just heard that Bush wants to redefine the meaning of Alternative Fuels to remove the term renewable so he can include liquid coal as an alternative fuel.
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Liquid coal might be chemically more pure, and thus cleaner when it burns, but it produces significantly more carbon dioxide than gasoline, and the Coal to Liquid plants produce huge amounts dangerous chemicals and huge amounts of carbon dioxide.
But the biggest ecological difference between coal and oil is the footprint. Oil is pumped out of the ground, leaving a relatively small footprint. The most economic way to remove coal from the ground, on the other hand, is to completely carve up a mountain, remove the coal, and fill river valleys with the slag. Even the industry calls it MTR, Mountain Top Removal Mining. And it's destroying the Smokey mountains as you read this. The last thing our country needs is to further our dependence on coal. It might be economically viable, and reduce our dependence on unstable countries, but one hundred years of America burning liquefied coal would solve one problem while creating many more.....
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights which the USA agreed upon, but of course feels that it doesn't have to honor, like most of their many other agreements.
I agree with that, except it in no ways answers the original question, which was "according to what standard is the quality of life decreasing?"
sjc wrote:
Soon there will be a small minority of the very rich and a large majority of the very poor in America with the way things are going now.
Evidence? Oh that's right, you have a monopoly on the truth, therefore you don't need to provide evidence.
Surprisingly, there is actually some small part of truth in this; see the quote by Ron Paul on my sig as to why. Of course, that's not capitalism though.
sjc Thinker
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:46 am
offsprng46 wrote:
I agree with that, except it in no ways answers the original question, which was "according to what standard is the quality of life decreasing?"
Evidence? Oh that's right, you have a monopoly on the truth, therefore you don't need to provide evidence.
I have been providing evidence all along, you just choose to ignore it because it contradicts your religious beliefs.
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Surprisingly, there is actually some small part of truth in this; see the quote by Ron Paul on my sig as to why. Of course, that's not capitalism though.
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