You have failed us all!

Confident Learner Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 99

The government of the United States of America was founded with one principle. In the Declaration of Independence, the principle is stated, “with liberty, and justice, for all”.

The government has failed us all. By declaring war against segments of the population, promoting ideological persecution, they have failed to fulfill the principle of liberty and justice for all.

No matter how many signatures are placed on a petition, it is the duty of the government to protect the interest of all people. They must be willing to allow all people the freedom to run their own lives. They must allow citizens the ability to make their own choices, and protect all citizens from those who would force opinions and ideals on them.

By succumbing to popular opinion, by using the force of law to violate the basic rights of freedom and liberty to any segment, they have failed in their duties.

There will always be those who wish to tell others what to think and how to live. The government must be above that. When the government fails in that duty, when it violates the rights of the citizenry for any reason, it has failed.

There are snakes on this airplane. Unfortunately, they are in the cockpit, trying to fly the plane without arms to do so. How much longer must we sit in fear and watch while the plane descends? We must take over this plane before it falls from the sky, or be prepared for the inevitable crash.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:48 pm

this kid is getting the pledge of allegiance mixed up with the declaration of independance.

the declaration of independence does not say anywhere "with liberty and justice for all"

that being said, I agree with the kids point. the government should protect all our rights and not let a bunch of ideologue control the rest of us.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:55 pm

just watched the video, and your post does not match the video, for which I had assumed your post was a transcript. it's not. it must be your commentary regarding the video, so my post above should be in response to you, that is to say, I totally agree with your point, but that you have mixed up the pledge of allegiance with the declaration of independence. much like I mixed up your post with the video. Wink

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:23 pm

SNAKES?!? Muthafuckin' snakes on MY muthafuckin' plane?!? NO MUTHAFUCKIN' WAY-- hey... Wait... I'm not on an airplane...

Confident Learner Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 99

Indeed, you are correct. Bloody hell, I posted this on all my blogs too. Multiply the mistake by seven of eight.

Anyhow, what I meant to say was the principle that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Thanx HBA.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:51 pm

Dissident1 wrote:

Anyhow, what I meant to say was the principle that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.".

Yes, but that's the Declaration of Independence, I believe. The DofI is simply a list of grievances with an earlier King George and a nice statement that the US doesn't like the idea of being colonies any more. In other words, it is what the title claims it to be. It really has nothing to do with the government. The document you're really interested in is The Consitution...

Now I believe the preamble contains the line "...promote the general welfare..." but, honetly, that's a vague phrase...

Thinker Joined: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 423

The point still stands that the republicans have failed the American people by abusing their power and subverting the government to their own petty agenda and greed. The Corporatarians on here would be no better. In fact they would be far worse since they would eliminate any and all restrictions that are left. In other words they wouldn't even pretend to care about anyone at all.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:23 am

sjc wrote:

The point still stands that the republicans have failed the American people by abusing their power and subverting the government to their own petty agenda and greed. The Corporatarians on here would be no better. In fact they would be far worse since they would eliminate any and all restrictions that are left. In other words they wouldn't even pretend to care about anyone at all.

Yes, but at least most corporation don't pretend to care. You should check out the film "The Corporation". Even if one doe disagree with their central points (and you would not) it's quite interesting. The DVD has a ton of extra interview footage with everyone from Michal Moore to Peter Drucker and Milton Friedman...

Thinker Joined: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 423

rickcopeland648 wrote:

Yes, but at least most corporation don't pretend to care. You should check out the film "The Corporation". Even if one doe disagree with their central points (and you would not) it's quite interesting. The DVD has a ton of extra interview footage with everyone from Michal Moore to Peter Drucker and Milton Friedman...

This is one reason why the Corporatarians on here worship them blindly. The corporation is only accountable to a very few. To a theist their god is accountable to no one.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:31 am

sjc wrote:

This is one reason why the Corporatarians on here worship them blindly.

Although I know who you mean by "Corporatarians" there are no people here to which that would accurately apply.

sjc wrote:

The corporation is only accountable to a very few.

Entirely wrong. The corporation is accountable to every customer and consumer including those they don't have but would if they did what the people wanted.

sjc wrote:

To a theist their god is accountable to no one.

You keep evoking god and theists but they have nothing to do with any conversation you use them in. As a socialist with no leg to stand on you simply try to discredit others. This is merely proof that you aren't up to the level of the others who are having an intellectual debate.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:36 am

Saitou wrote:

sjc wrote:

This is one reason why the Corporatarians on here worship them blindly.

Although I know who you mean by "Corporatarians" there are no people here to which that would accurately apply.

Maybe you don't. I would think you two mean the same thing by the term, but perhaps not. I think the term should be defined...

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:46 am

rickcopeland648 wrote:

Saitou wrote:

sjc wrote:

This is one reason why the Corporatarians on here worship them blindly.

Although I know who you mean by "Corporatarians" there are no people here to which that would accurately apply.

Maybe you don't. I would think you two mean the same thing by the term, but perhaps not. I think the term should be defined...

Corporatarian from SJC's dictionary of Socialist Leftism:
Anyone to the right of SJC on economic issues who doesn't think corporations are evil and "exploit" workers while destroying mankind and the very earth itself all in the name of evil profits and greed.

Thinker Joined: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 423

Saitou wrote:

Although I know who you mean by "Corporatarians" there are no people here to which that would accurately apply.

You happen to be the Grand Inquisitor of the faith.

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Entirely wrong. The corporation is accountable to every customer and consumer including those they don't have but would if they did what the people wanted.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: You actually believe that, and here you said that there was no one on here who didn't worship them blindly. [-X

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You keep evoking god and theists but they have nothing to do with any conversation you use them in.

It does when speaking of your economically inspired religious beliefs.

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As a socialist with no leg to stand on you simply try to discredit others. This is merely proof that you aren't up to the level of the others who are having an intellectual debate.

=P~ Gee, my feelings are hurt. Rolling Eyes

Government is there to serve us, not the other way around. While you believe that everyone should serve the Corporate.

Thinker Joined: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 423

Saitou wrote:

Corporatarian from SJC's dictionary of Socialist Leftism:
Anyone to the right of SJC on economic issues who doesn't think corporations are evil and "exploit" workers while destroying mankind and the very earth itself all in the name of evil profits and greed.

You got it exactly. Rolling Eyes

But it isn't just my definition, it is for a growing number of Americans who have been left behind in the name of your corporate god as well..... My system works for a majority while yours really only works for a very few.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:03 am

sjc wrote:

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Entirely wrong. The corporation is accountable to every customer and consumer including those they don't have but would if they did what the people wanted.

:rotf: You actually believe that, and here you said that there was no one on here who didn't worship them blindly. [-X

Can you explain how a corporation survives when it has no customers willing to buy what it offers?


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