Joined: Feb 21, 2006
Posts: 268
Location: Johannesburg
Posted:
Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:19 am
Pray first for
A NEW CAR
for you or for your church leader.
Next, find out about
MISSING CHILDREN
in your city or country and pray the hardest possible,
even with fasting,
with all faith and power for them to be found.
It is very simple.
Try it, and let us know what prayer got results.
baddogma Grand Poster
Joined: Feb 02, 2006
Posts: 1845
Location: Colorado
Posted:
Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:43 pm
Wow, it worked. I prayed for Jesus to give me a new car, and today there was one parked in front of the post office with the keys in the ignition and everything!
Thank you Jesus!
Julio Intern
Joined: Feb 21, 2006
Posts: 268
Location: Johannesburg
Posted:
Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:57 pm
I've seen this your post somewhere else!
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Julio Intern
Joined: Feb 21, 2006
Posts: 268
Location: Johannesburg
Posted:
Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:18 am
There was a real case around here not so long ago, and churches went to pray and fast to find the child.
Months later, the child was found murdered.
God
hears
prayers, the religious merchants say...
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HighPriestessLois Newbie First Class
Joined: Feb 27, 2010
Posts: 45
Location: Arizona USA
Posted:
Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:29 am
Millions of Christians offered up millions of prayers for God to plug up the oil-spewing hole in the sea floor. Has he done so? No.
Millions of Christians pray for their children to be healed of fatal diseases. Does God comply? No. You can see the graves of little children in every cemetery in the country.
The Bible says that you will get whatever you ask for in prayer, if you believe it and you ask in Jesus' name. Millions of Christians believe, they have faith, they do their best to live how God wants them to live, yet when they pray, God ignores every single thing they ask for, no matter how unselfish. Therefore, the Bible lies and cannot be trusted.
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Julio Intern
Joined: Feb 21, 2006
Posts: 268
Location: Johannesburg
Posted:
Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:01 am
Correct.
I don't know why there are so many Christians in the world when the benefits are so meagre!
And yet, it appears that Christians are totally blind about the hard facts of total incompetence from the god they worship!
They would do better worshiping scorpions, in my opinion!
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MockingGods Master of Logic
Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 5691
Location: Planet Earth
Posted:
Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:39 am
HighPriestessLois wrote:
Millions of Christians offered up millions of prayers for God to plug up the oil-spewing hole in the sea floor. Has he done so? No.
You mean God didn't place that huge, unwieldy cap on the well stopping the flow? Shit, I was sure he finally did something useful
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Bodhitharta Graduate Thinker
Joined: Feb 12, 2006
Posts: 717
Posted:
Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:14 pm
Julio wrote:
Pray first for
A NEW CAR
for you or for your church leader.
Next, find out about
MISSING CHILDREN
in your city or country and pray the hardest possible,
even with fasting,
with all faith and power for them to be found.
It is very simple.
Try it, and let us know what prayer got results.
Your theory is juvenile because it could very well occur that the person has success but really would that make you believe?
Bodhitharta Graduate Thinker
Joined: Feb 12, 2006
Posts: 717
Posted:
Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:15 pm
HighPriestessLois wrote:
Millions of Christians offered up millions of prayers for God to plug up the oil-spewing hole in the sea floor. Has he done so? No.
Millions of Christians pray for their children to be healed of fatal diseases. Does God comply? No. You can see the graves of little children in every cemetery in the country.
The Bible says that you will get whatever you ask for in prayer, if you believe it and you ask in Jesus' name. Millions of Christians believe, they have faith, they do their best to live how God wants them to live, yet when they pray, God ignores every single thing they ask for, no matter how unselfish. Therefore, the Bible lies and cannot be trusted.
But the Oil did stop not very long after they prayed and it seems to have suddenly evaporated, go figure.
iPondR Graduate Thinker
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
Posts: 534
Location: Aussie Prawn Facility; District 10
Posted:
Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:06 am
Bodhitharta wrote:
HighPriestessLois wrote:
Millions of Christians offered up millions of prayers for God to plug up the oil-spewing hole in the sea floor. Has he done so? No.
Millions of Christians pray for their children to be healed of fatal diseases. Does God comply? No. You can see the graves of little children in every cemetery in the country.
The Bible says that you will get whatever you ask for in prayer, if you believe it and you ask in Jesus' name. Millions of Christians believe, they have faith, they do their best to live how God wants them to live, yet when they pray, God ignores every single thing they ask for, no matter how unselfish. Therefore, the Bible lies and cannot be trusted.
But the Oil did stop not very long after they prayed and it seems to have suddenly evaporated, go figure.
I love this! I love this so much! It truly gives my heart joy to ruminate on such questions. No really
To test the conditions for prayer to work, you could try making a double-blind study with hospital patients (done) or could try proving that there is a critical mass at which thought 'energy' accumulates (the Hundreth Monkey effect & good old Rupert Sheldrake) or you could set up a designated 'omega moment' where thousands get together to meditate on world peace (well that's been tried, how did that work out?) and so on and so on etcetera, etcetera.
You could alternatively take the position that such rationalist approaches to 'magical thinking' are bound to fail as they do not allow for the transcendent, are not wholistic and do not recognise the inner life of the individual and the collective consciousness. Consciousness is an essential quality inherrent IN reality and indeed beyond it into realms unknown and perhaps unknowable. So double blind studies are OK for testing pain killer drugs but NOT for homeopathy, acupuncture and therapeutic touch.
Some postulate that human thought has a kind of objective reality and can interfere with matter in (generally nebulous and ill defined) ways... some choose to place a 'god' mechanism as an intercedant or mediator between the 'broadcaster' and 'reality'... either way the end result is the same IMO. Either our brains are continuously hooked up into some awesome hyperdimensional matrix and we just don't know it yet... or we don't broadcast ANYTHING that will EVER be detected by any human or natural process -BUT- that our divine benefactor and overlord will etherically pick up the signals (or is indwelling etc as the case may be)
----AND YET----
still can & does employ non-detectable means in order to carry things out.
[edit; Except that the stuff that the divine intervenes in IS detectable. If we follow that line of argument to it's logical conclusion, reality LOOKS THE SAME whether there's a God (theism) or god (deism) or NOT because if there is intervention we should be able to detect it in some way, no? The only necessary problem that (at least deistic) god concepts solve (at least notionally) is that of First Cause (assuming your ontological construct requires one)... phew, that was easy! ]
So;
a. rationalist / naturalist mechanism
(the well was capped by naturally evolved human action/technology and persistence etc)
b. supernatural non-detectable method which still impacts on matter
(the well was capped by, divinely intervened, evolved human action/technology and persistence etc)
Hmmm, interesting. One seems to involve an extra step or is that a leap?
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