God's System

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

Which is the best system of government for human beings.

Muslims believe that of all the governmental systems,
God's system would obviously be the best.

You simply can't beat God in governing.

God has promised in the Holy Koran that before He ends this world,
He will show His system by establishing Divine Law on Earth.

God will appoint His own governors all over the world.

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:17 pm

You are a fool. A perfect specimen for a Muslim convert.

If you only had a brain.

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:16 pm

Let's see what you are craving for.

"God's System"

Allah's Rule, and for the best example look at the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan - NWFP. Somalia. Saudi Arabia. Sudan. Yemen.
Those are the chaps who are enforcing sharia or as you call it, Allah's rule. As it was written in the seventh century.
If it is so good, why does it have to be forced? Would not every Muslim want it?

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Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:

1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.

2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.

12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).

13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)

14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.

15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.

16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.

17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.

18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors."

19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.

21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".

22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.

23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.

24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.

25- Ban on female public baths.

26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").

27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.

28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.

29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.

Apart from the above restrictions on women, the Taliban has:

- Banned listening to music, not only for women but men as well.

- Banned the watching of movies, television and videos, for everyone.

- Banned celebrating the traditional new year (Nowroz) on March 21. The Taliban has proclaimed the holiday un-Islamic.

- Disavowed Labor Day (May 1st), because it is deemed a "communist" holiday.

- Ordered that all people with non-Islamic names change them to Islamic ones.

- Forced haircuts upon Afghan youth.

- Ordered that men wear Islamic clothes and a cap.

- Ordered that men not shave or trim their beards, which should grow long enough to protrude from a fist clasped at the point of the chin.

- Ordered that all people attend prayers in mosques five times daily.

- Banned the keeping of pigeons and playing with the birds, describing it as un-Islamic. The violators will be imprisoned and the birds shall be killed. The kite flying has also been stopped.

- Ordered all onlookers, while encouraging the sportsmen, to chant Allah-o-Akbar (God is great) and refrain from clapping.

- Ban on certain games including kite flying which is "un-Islamic" according to Taliban.

- Anyone who carries objectionable literature will be executed.

- Anyone who converts from Islam to any other religion will be executed.

- All boy students must wear turbans. They say "No turban, no education".

- Non-Muslim minorities must distinct badge or stitch a yellow cloth onto their dress to be differentiated from the majority Muslim population. Just like what did Nazis with Jews.

- Banned the use of the internet by both ordinary Afghans and foreigners.

And so on...

Now tell us, would you like go back to the seventh century and live like that? It's God's system. It's the best.

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The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

What you wrote about is NOT God's system.

I was talking about God's real system of government.

It would be the best system in the world.

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:22 pm

Well, which god's system are you talking about?

As far as I know, the Taliban are following Allah's Laws, (Sunni) the Sharia, and their role model Muhammad, Uswa Hashana, al Insan al Kamil. See Quran 33:21.

Now you say they have got it wrong.

I don't suppose you would tell them how they got it wrong?
Maybe take your Qur'an and the Sunna and discuss with them the finer points of Sharia?

Which flavour of Islam have you bought?
Wahhabi, Salafi, Sunni, Shia, Shia Twelvers, Ahmadiyya, Alawite, Kharijite, Five Percenters, Quran Alone, NOI, ?

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

pr126 wrote:

As far as I know, the Taliban are following Allah's Laws,

That just shows just how much you really know.

Taliban follow God as much as Pope follows Jesus.

You are deluded in your own brainwashings.

Carry on Blackadder.

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:05 pm

How come they get away with such heresy? Who is in charge? (I know, the one with the gun!)

It seems to me that each and every Muslim makes up his own Islam. What a mess. Twisted Evil

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

pr126 wrote:

How come they get away with such heresy?

They wont.

You are just so impatient arent you?

No one mocks God and gets away with it.

What did you think was God's purpose in creating a place like Hell?

For all disbelievers is the hottest penitentiary in the universe.

Atheists, Talibans, Al Qaeda, Bush, Tony Blair,
Hitler, Netanyahu, Sarkozy, Saddam, all will end up singing the blues.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:05 pm

Hang on a minute, just one word.

Predestination .

Allah has created everything, knowing in advance all there is to be, until the day of resurrection.
So He knows already who will end up in hell, and everybody is just doing what Allah wanted them to do.

Conclusion, everybody is doing Allah's will.

What does that tell me? That Allah creates people for the sole purpose of sending them to hell,
Nice one.

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“Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him. ” S. 4:88

“Whomsoever Allah guides, he is the one who follows the right way; and whomsoever He causes to err, these are the losers. Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell.” S. 7:178-179

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:04 pm

rayback wrote:

Which is the best system of government for human beings.

Muslims believe that of all the governmental systems,
God's system would obviously be the best.

You simply can't beat God in governing.

God has promised in the Holy Koran that before He ends this world,
He will show His system by establishing Divine Law on Earth.

God will appoint His own governors all over the world.

PR has a point. And I have a question.

So you're saying God him/herself will place people all over the world to govern and rule? My question then is this: if God is placing people in his steed, failable, corruptible people....then what is the use? All are prone to wrong doing and will only lead people to where they are now.
So explain that please.

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:55 pm

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God's system would obviously be the best.

There's little, perhaps nothing, to indicate what you think of as "God's" system isn't actually an anthropogenic system, and I'm certainly not convinced it's a better system.

A valid option for me to choose would have been...
"Man-made systems are all that we know of"

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

My replies in bold:

daughterofthought wrote:

PR has a point. And I have a question.

He is only trying to divert the topic into that of predestination.

This subject is about types of government.

So you're saying God him/herself will place people all over the world to govern and rule?

Yes.

My question then is this:

if God is placing people in his steed, failable, corruptible people....then what is the use?

God's selected governors would not be corruptable.
Therefore, if you were bribable, then He will not chose you.

All are prone to wrong doing and will only lead people to where they are now.

God's system is not like that of Wall Street in which banks robbed the public and corruption deliberately went undetected until recession was upon us and ruined our country.

God's system is far better and more efficent than any system of government established by man.

God would immediately correct any fatal error that His governors might make.

Forum Master Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 10152

rayback wrote:

No one mocks God and gets away with it.

Allah is a clown. Allah makes Curly from the 3 Stooges look like Einstein.

(Waiting for bolt of lighting) ...............

Still here. Got anything else besides hollow threats of fictional hells?

We are not impressed with your delusion anymore than we are impressed when a Christian threatens us with their fictional hell.

Forum Master Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 10152

Rayback,

In all seriousness, you need to stop thinking that it is your right to tell others what to believe and hurl threats at people. This is not Saudi Arabia or Iran.

In this country, you are allowed to speak your mind, but we also have a right to respond.

You keep making claims about "what is" and use bad logic to back it up. We are trying to tell you that simply making claims is not sufficiant. It is no different to us when a Christian makes claims.

I was born in Virgina, our state flag has a goddess standing over a dead tyrant with her foot on his chest and the motto is "Sic Semper Tyranus" "Death always to tyrants"

The way you speak of your claimed alleged being, makes Allah out to be a tyrant. If you don't view your claimed god as a tyrant, then stop making threats to us and debate us.

"Allah will not be mocked"

That is a threat, I don't respond to threats or tyrants.

If you want to debate us, you are more than welcome to stay and debate us, but the threats are wearing thin here. This is not your website and you do not own us. Debate us, do not preach at us.

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

Well, some member called daughterofthought asked me some questions.

Did you not want me to respond to her?

What are you affraid of Brian?

I think she has the right to question and hear replies.


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