'Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable''

Confident Learner Joined: Jul 18, 2004 Posts: 66

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7232661.stm

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:41 am

alt wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7232661.stm

How strange, for a Christian Archbishop to be stumping for legal relativity...

Are you in the UK. I assume you'd know what I meant if I referred to him as a "nutter."

Just Arrived Joined: Feb 07, 2008 Posts: 1

kmisho wrote:

How strange, for a Christian Archbishop to be stumping for legal relativity...

Are you in the UK. I assume you'd know what I meant if I referred to him as a "nutter."

Archbishop of *Caterbury*. C of E. "Nutter" comes with the territory. He wouldn't get the job unless he was a bit loony. He's almost certainly an atheist, and we should probably be grateful that he's not a Stalinist.

His logic is of course flawed to the highest degree; not least because the Koran states quite clearly that Muslims must obey the law of the land in which they live (sorry - from memory; no references to hand).

If such a thing was granted, then why not Scientology courts?

I think that this sort of position simply makes it more likely that a more secular society is inevitable in the UK. Maybe that what the archbishop is secretly aiming for, being an athei^G^G a good citizen?

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:31 pm

SKZSKZ wrote:

kmisho wrote:

How strange, for a Christian Archbishop to be stumping for legal relativity...

Are you in the UK. I assume you'd know what I meant if I referred to him as a "nutter."

Archbishop of *Caterbury*. C of E. "Nutter" comes with the territory. He wouldn't get the job unless he was a bit loony. He's almost certainly an atheist, and we should probably be grateful that he's not a Stalinist.

His logic is of course flawed to the highest degree; not least because the Koran states quite clearly that Muslims must obey the law of the land in which they live (sorry - from memory; no references to hand).

If such a thing was granted, then why not Scientology courts?

I think that this sort of position simply makes it more likely that a more secular society is inevitable in the UK. Maybe that what the archbishop is secretly aiming for, being an athei^G^G a good citizen?

The Koran is contradictory on that point (big shocker). Could you expand on how you think this could enhance secularism? I don't quite get it.

Newbie Joined: Feb 28, 2008 Posts: 17

alt wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7232661.stm

I find it bizarre to have atheists running as religious leaders; I guess he makes 50 bucks an hour handing out bread wafers and wine to get high on Christ.

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:00 am

MarcusAurelius wrote:

alt wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7232661.stm

I find it bizarre to have atheists running as religious leaders; I guess he makes 50 bucks an hour handing out bread wafers and wine to get high on Christ.

It's just a job. I knew of one atheist who was a pastor at one of the largest and richest Baptist churches in Richmond. I found out he was an atheist because I was studying music with their organist and we ran into each other a lot and, though I didn't wear an atheist teeshirt or anything, I made no secret of my dubiousness of the Bible.

He was actually quite refreshing to listen to by comparison with what most are used to. He never just quoted the Bible and left it at that. I remember one time when he quoted the Bible, then supported the Bible by quoting Confucius and Martin Luther King!

The bulk of his job, the part that took up the most time (and I suspect this is generally true of church leaders), was visiting hospitalized and visiting the families of dead people. A church leader is basically on call 24 hours a day to visit the sick and the dying.

Newbie Joined: Feb 28, 2008 Posts: 17

I know this Greek guy who gets loaded off making money as a pastor and barber on the side; I am really curious as to if he is a believer or not.

I feel it is somewhat dishonest to be preaching something you don't believe in and profiting off the believers.

The Popes have had it made living like Kings off the poor dupes that donate to the church since its existence. Pope Julian's "indulgence fee" to help pay for his extravagant construction projects, pretty much go and fornicate as long you pay a tax was his policy and the church even provided brothels until the reformation.

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:01 am

SKZSKZ -- it is my understanding that the koran is filled with contradictions, so that one passage may say 'obey local laws', while the following passage will command the faithful to change the laws to suit allah.

As for non-believing xian clergy, I have met a number in Australia. e.g. in early 2007 I spoke to a Catholic university scholar (a real university), who told me that the gospels were written in the 2nd century AD, not the early 1st century.

In essence anyone with a brain and education will reject at the very least a literal understanding of the bible.

As for laws and gods, while I do not like the idea of s law in the uk, or anyone else, much current uk law is based on xian 'eithics'. For me, a libertarian/humanist legal framework works really well.


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