Communism and Socialism ?

Confident Learner Joined: Jun 09, 2008 Posts: 68

Cygnus wrote:

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they may never know of its existence

Then you underestimate our right wing spin specialists.

There is always the smokescreen strategy start accusing the right wingers of being secretly communist. Single F-soldiers acting in despise of American citizens this can start damaging their reputation. If this doesn’t work this concept becomes absurd and ridicules for the majority of people.

Cygnus wrote:

What if I don't plan on returning it? Another thing: a guitar is a work of art. If an Fcom intends on growing test tube babies to build guitars, I would doubt that I would get a very good one.

You get reported to the old faction American police for theft or simply taken care buy the members of the Fcom you are one malfunctioning unit and they are many others monitoring you. If you start to have deficiencies you get fixed or scraped.

A work of art ? The concept of art is absurd and fictitious hocus pocus. This is absurd and contradicts everything in modern science ! I doubt you have engineering knowledge do you.
Well here are the spoilers there is no magic or god Very Happy

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How exactly is going the absents of a magical constancy going to affect the atomic structure of a tool ? Every tool is simply a arrangement of atoms , there is a optimal way of assembling something if you didn’t know this.
I picked up the guitar example however its unimportant lets rescale this because personal activities like music are pointless and inefficient lets take about tools. Is a hammer somehow wrongly build because its lakes some magical property ? Is every object you poses somehow deficient ? Remember they have bean assemble via machines that have no sole or hart and don’t get pay. You start to sound like Marx in his manifesto “ the mechanization of human life will damage production and humans “.
How will a guitar/hammer that is build in a exact pres like every capitalistic guitar/hammer lack something ? The process is identical. Its like telling me that a data copied via a worker in china is somehow inferior to the same data copier via a American worker pushing one button and making the same process on the same machine.
Seriously science and reality cry about this XD.

Cygnus wrote:

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The marriage (I don’t know if this applies to USA in Poland its possible) is with a intercision with means there is no common property every person in a mirage remains their property and after the divorce there is no splitting.

No, that is definitely not possible over here. Ask any divorced man.

Well the finer arts of civil contract are possibly hidden from the minds of simple Americans the study of US low is required to answer this.
However its nothing that cant be worked around , we simply need to wait for the future generations where is the problem ?

Cygnus wrote:

Question: if an Fcom's employees are being payed basically with food and housing, then how is that more cost efficient than a capitalist corporation that gives its employees a paycheck to buy its own products?

The F-solders are not paid . They are prohibited from having personal ownership it’s a absurd idea for them like starting to worship Satan for a Christian.
The answer is simple they work for free , they don’t demand extras or raises they are like machinery they simply function besides the communal nature of them allows them to have access to greater or equal things like their capitalist counter parts. If you know how reduction of costs work in a normal firm you understand how this is supposed to work.
If you understand how providing something for a grope where everyone is required to share is minimizing the costs you will understand how operation costs are reduced.
If you know why in a Library you can rent books cheaper then buy them personally you understand this.
Lets not forget a full developed Fcom will give ever thing no one is going to waist money on capitalist farmers if a different branch of a Fcom is grooving grains and food for the F-soldiers. No one is going to waist money on electricity its going to be distributed for free in the Fcom. The scale is the key if its developed its going to maximize a Fcoms efficiency.
Its simple business thinking and cutting the middle man , Henry Ford used this in his car production and supposedly reduced costs.

Lets not forget the bonus of the freedom from the money exchange system that hold most businesses down. I think you supposed to with some videos of people showing a chipped shopping mole and how efficient it is to abandon chasers and the tedious act of counting every product on every step. They make my argument for me you don’t need to waist time and money on protecting your property or money no one haze one and if the future shop promises south improvements in letting go of the capitalist standard imagine a system abandoning this money exchange problem from the start and more

Lets not forget all the abilities of a Fcom system that require long explanations like technologies that cant be available in a capitalist system because of its nature and are far superior then you can dream and cost penis to make (in materials).

Did you know that the free market is plagued via capitalist corrosion something similar to negative selection. What do you think is the value of a 900000$ medical equipment? 5 $ I’m not a medical expert however I remember a report of a dude who is a electrical engineer and he build a simple pushing device for his son to breath for 5$ and the standard glorious capitalist device coasted 900000$ and did the same thing ? Improvement is impossible in a capitalist system every invention will lose to a bed model do to capitalist corrosion.
I think I need to explain this to you that capitalist corrosion selects in a different meaner and selects for the most addictive product.

Do you think a firm that is honest and produces thus devices for 5$ can stay in business ? Of course not it must include extra cash for its profit and we never see this device in common use. A Fcom can produce without making rewords and crippling the production.

Stuz719 wrote:

What is the difference between communism and capitalism?

Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man; communism is the exact opposite.

HEHe I like this definition Very Happy

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:20 am

I have a hard time reading and following Carx.

If the idea was narrowed then I might have a chance. I don't think he understands the motivations of the majority of workers.

He says he would work for free. That is such an absurd idea to me that perhaps it is hopeless that I can ever understand him. It's like we aren't in the same reality.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 513

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There is always the smokescreen strategy start accusing the right wingers of being secretly communist.

Uhh, what?

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A work of art ? The concept of art is absurd and fictitious hocus pocus. This is absurd and contradicts everything in modern science ! I doubt you have engineering knowledge do you.
Well here are the spoilers there is no magic or god Very Happy.

I never said that there was any kind of supernatural quality in art, which is more of a philosophy. Saying that I did is a huge straw man. Art is a human quality that inspires and, for me, is quite necessary in order to make my life enjoyable. To do away with art would be a big mistake.

I have a hard time reading and following Carx.

If the idea was narrowed then I might have a chance. I don't think he understands the motivations of the majority of workers.

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I have a hard time reading and following Carx.

If the idea was narrowed then I might have a chance. I don't think he understands the motivations of the majority of workers.

He says he would work for free. That is such an absurd idea to me that perhaps it is hopeless that I can ever understand him. It's like we aren't in the same reality.

He is assuming that everyone would rather share everything. People over here would rather be able to control how well off they are, and would rebel against the idea of being unpaid drones in a factory. I know I certainly would.

Confident Learner Joined: Jun 09, 2008 Posts: 68

Cygnus wrote:

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There is always the smokescreen strategy start accusing the right wingers of being secretly communist.

Uhh, what?

Carx puppet theater presents :
How to avoid accusations and destroy potential opponents.

“
Secret communist : You are a secret communist !

Conservative Capitalist : Hmm ?

SC: You are going to overthrow the free market and replace with a communist government !

CC : NO

“

In a witch hunt you need to throw the firs accusation look at mccarthyism in the USA to see how baseless accusations can damage reputation. Example “Fox News is a bunch of atheistic communist “ this is going to disturb the fox viewer and if you show them clips from the simpsons a show on fox if I remember correctly where there is made fun of god you are going to damage fox’s reputation for good.

Cygnus wrote:

I have a hard time reading and following Carx.

If the idea was narrowed then I might have a chance. I don't think he understands the motivations of the majority of workers.

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I have a hard time reading and following Carx.

If the idea was narrowed then I might have a chance. I don't think he understands the motivations of the majority of workers.

He says he would work for free. That is such an absurd idea to me that perhaps it is hopeless that I can ever understand him. It's like we aren't in the same reality.

He is assuming that everyone would rather share everything. People over here would rather be able to control how well off they are, and would rebel against the idea of being unpaid drones in a factory. I know I certainly would.

NO I don’t care about people ! People are stupid and uses ! Their desires are ridicules !
I simply take real life examples of groups of people showing how upbringing in the write enlivenment can completely determine the majority of peoples opinion. The point that Americans will not change is irrelevant my Fcom model will simply generate more units (adopt or make a lot of children).

Its like multicultural organisms they will simply start multiplying and multiplying and replace most single cell organisms I don’t require that single cell organisms turn into multicultural ones they simply stop existing do to natural selection.

Think of Islam in the EU the Muslims reproduce faster then non Muslims (more wife’s) my Fcom will simply make itself enough new units (Well I think you can be thankful that a Fcom can multiply faster then Muslims and stop then from out voting you ) and employ them , existing groups of people are irrelevant to the production process.

You are ignoring my examples I would work and like my system so if I can copy my self into multiple bodies I will have my Fcom ,there is one” zero experimental prototype unit” and I’m this unit.
I simply need more of me (my children/uploding) and start a Fcom.

Confident Learner Joined: Jun 09, 2008 Posts: 68

Saitou wrote:

I have a hard time reading and following Carx.

If the idea was narrowed then I might have a chance. I don't think he understands the motivations of the majority of workers.

He says he would work for free. That is such an absurd idea to me that perhaps it is hopeless that I can ever understand him. It's like we aren't in the same reality.

Maybe I need to elaborate on how my entire system is going to function.
Lets start wit basic definitions a group system is a system employed in a grope it can be secret or use legal ways to function or even be a hybrid.

The Fcom can be established like a legal person where some members can get 1 sheer and others can revoke this right via voting . The sheer is nontransferable every property is transfer to this legal entity every member signs down a discloser agreement to transfer every intellectual property and disclose other stuff. If you know how video game company’s or music distributors work you get the idea.

Now normally the members will work for this Fcom system if someone try’s to rob stuff from the Fcom he is committing good old fashion theft and you can use the police to eliminate this.

The members don’t recruiter new members from the street they keep quiet about their views they simple teach them to their children or units because in the future the possibility of better unit production can be established or possible.

The main point is to create the biggest possible number of units to have for working/other or in other stages voting and legislation.

The up bringing or production will be carried out in a group fashion there are no families no merges no husbands no wife’s all children are educated and broth up like in a school one person can monitor and manage more children then a single parent because of mass production.

No one possesses property , life necessary things like sleeping is not a problem if you think military stile beds can save a lot of space and similarly with buildings no individualized space a group bathroom group eating room reduce the cost.

Think like this 1 person can bring up 10 children we will ignore other factors and make this a simplistic model. 1 person brings up in 20 years 10 new units now they can bring up 10 more we have now 100 units next 1000 units next 10000 units next 100000 and we have 100000 new units after 20 years. Of course this model ignores the possibility that the older generation will continue work we presume hem dead after 20 years for simplicity. This is not how my system works it’s a model for you to understand mathematically how 5 replications cycles (100 years) can extend the number of units.

Is this helping you understand ?

Grand Poster Joined: Apr 22, 2005 Posts: 1033

Saitou wrote:

I have a hard time reading and following Carx.

If the idea was narrowed then I might have a chance. I don't think he understands the motivations of the majority of workers.

Which is what? Not all "workers" (a term begging to be defined in these terms) may have the same motivation.

Saitou wrote:

He says he would work for free. That is such an absurd idea to me that perhaps it is hopeless that I can ever understand him. It's like we aren't in the same reality.

For want of a better cliché, freedom is an illusion. Even a gift is not necessarily free in economic terms.

Are you alluding to monetary reward for labours?

If your implication is that no-one will work without monetary reward then the whole concept of charity and philanthropism underscoring a capitalist free-market in order to 'protect' those unable to be economically active (e.g. the severely handicapped, whether physically or mentally) is shot clean out of the water.

I think what you may be trying to say is that the transaction of working requires some reward (whether money, status or whatever...), but I think you've framed your response in such a way as to paint yourself into the only-work-for-money corner.


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