The Evidential Argument from Slavery and Oppression

Newbie First Class Joined: Apr 26, 2008 Posts: 44

Missionary,

I read WrathJW's excellent article and am wondering if you actually read it through before you posted? Your response is yet another example of the "closed epistemological/ontological recursive loop, which leads to paralysis and ultimately psychosis", to quote Michael Lackey.

Your posts in this thread serve only to further convince me of two things.

1) Religion is a form of insanity. You are devoutly religious and are therefore insane.

2) Free-thought website forums are generally doomed to failure because insane people start posting and piss off, scare off or simply disgust the rational, thoughtful few who search (hopelessly) for someplace to get away from the insanity that infects our world. (Ask TIG, this place is hanging by a thread.)

I will now, once again, crawl back into the hole I crawled out of.

P.s. slicela1a... nice posts BTW.

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:13 pm

Everbleed wrote:

Missionary,

I read WrathJW's excellent article and am wondering if you actually read it through before you posted? Your response is yet another example of the "closed epistemological/ontological recursive loop, which leads to paralysis and ultimately psychosis", to quote Michael Lackey.

Your posts in this thread serve only to further convince me of two things.

1) Religion is a form of insanity. You are devoutly religious and are therefore insane.

2) Free-thought website forums are generally doomed to failure because insane people start posting and piss off, scare off or simply disgust the rational, thoughtful few who search (hopelessly) for someplace to get away from the insanity that infects our world. (Ask TIG, this place is hanging by a thread.)

I will now, once again, crawl back into the hole I crawled out of.

P.s. slicela1a... nice posts BTW.

Thanks, but even though I disagree with Missionary's posts, I wouldn't call him insane. Just misinformed. I hope he comes back and addresses the final points I made on Biblical atrocities.

Newbie First Class Joined: Apr 26, 2008 Posts: 44

My own experience has been that the moment one starts a discussion about the specifics of the Bible or any Holy Book, they find themselves actually arguing about nothing. People have so little time and yet they spend it discussing a book of myths and scary stories when the Earth is in such trouble. I know, I used to do it too. The book is insane. People who "believe" it are not just misinformed. They are changed. Ask them. Many of them are even waiting eagerly for the "end times".

However, you are right about my calling Missionary insane. I looked the word up on Wikipedia. I had the definition wrong. So I will apologize, take back that word, and go with "misinformed". Unfortunately I suspect that their misinformation may doom us all. Which is insane. To kill the Mother over nothing.

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:22 am

slicea1a wrote:

I think we frightened Missionary away. I hope that isn't true, I wanted to hear his responses to numbers 31 and deut 22. A loving God would not commit such heinous acts or be so merciless.

I think perhaps someone banned him. Sad

Besides, he would have just chalked it up to human free will and held the hideous monster of the bible blameless.

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Thanks, but even though I disagree with Missionary's posts, I wouldn't call him insane. Just misinformed.

IF he's being honest, it seems reasonable to suggest he is suffering from a form of religious psychosis. He has claimed to actually hear the voice of God, even though he’s rather evasive about the actual experience. He’s a rather hard nut to crack.

Resident Joined: Nov 20, 2002 Posts: 317 Location: USA

Everbleed wrote:

However, you are right about my calling Missionary insane. I looked the word up on Wikipedia. I had the definition wrong. So I will apologize, take back that word, and go with "misinformed". Unfortunately I suspect that their misinformation may doom us all. Which is insane. To kill the Mother over nothing.

I'm not qualified to make an accurate diagnosis about Missionary's mental health, because I'm not a mental health professional.

Take a trip over to the Atheist Forums, and read the posts from Missionary.
I came to a few conclusions while reading some of the threads with Missionary's posts in them.

1. He knows the Bible. Debating him about what's in it is a loosing proposition for someone like me. And I've read it many times.

2. Contrary to the views of some of the other members of the AF I think Missionary is highly intelligent. He's wrong of course, but he's not stupid.

3. Some of us atheists need to work on their people skills.

4. Why am I assuming Missionary is a man?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:02 am

Rage wrote:

2. Contrary to the views of some of the other members of the AF I think Missionary is highly intelligent. He's wrong of course, but he's not stupid.

I also think he's intelligent. One however can be intelligent and still suffer from psychosis. It’s of course impossible to analyze a person’s mental health through a forum such as this, but given his behavior it seems the most likely diagnosis.

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3. Some of us atheists need to work on their people skills.

Indeed, myself included

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:33 am

I think it's amusing how Missionary can't come up with any real defenses or arguments in favor of the Bible, so he goes off on these wild tangents about penguins and circuses and child labor. Laughing

When it comes down to it, preaching is the only thing he can do really well because it requires no thinking, but only the parroting of stuff he heard in Sunday School from the time he was a kid. Beyond the preaching, his next-best talent is derailing the topic by bringing up irrelevant nothings. Let's get back on track, shall we?

Quoting from Wrath's article:

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If we bought a car that was filled with factory defects we would never accept the answer that this was the best car possible and that we should just shut up and be grateful.

And thus the notion that this is the best world God could possibly create is seen to be nonsense. The world looks exactly as we would expect it to look if there were no God at all in charge of anything. Humans have done far more good for this world than God ever did. Who invented vaccines for polio, chicken pox, rubella, and a bunch of other diseases that used to kill people by the thousands? Not God, but humans, and we reap the benefits today. Modern medicine, agriculture, sanitation practices, etc. are all things that HUMANS did for the betterment of humanity. If we had relied on God to change anything for the better, we'd still be grunting at each other and living in caves.

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If we saw our friend or neighbor killing a child or neglecting his own children ... we would never say simply that, though we don't know exactly why he's killing that kid or why he's not lifting a finger to defend the life and well-being of his own children, he's a good guy so he must have his reasons.

Not only that, but we would call the cops on his sorry ass! We wouldn't just stand by and let some insane fucker torture his child to death, we would do something to stop it. Contrast that with God, who sits back on his fat ass and does nothing while thousands of children die every day from malnutrition, disease, accidents, and abuse. Children are sexually abused within the very churches where God is supposed to be present, and what does God do about it? Nothing. Jesus (allegedly God-in-the-flesh), who loves all the little children of the world, does nothing at all to prevent their suffering. Once again, we see that humans are better at alleviating suffering than God is. Why, it is almost as if God does not exist at all--or else he's on a really long vacation and isn't taking any phone calls.


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