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Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:41 am
Missionary wrote:
hillbillyatheist wrote:
Missionary, you seem to have a false dichotomy going.
there is a big difference between a capitalistic system where the government offers a safety net and social services, verses outright state control over the entire economy.
many christians are on the left politically and there are plenty of atheists on the right, and some such as objectivists are purely libertarian. (pure capitalism with no safety net or social services)
so your claim that we're all secret commies is bullshit.
I for one am a moderate on economics, and think conservatives are almost right but tend to think social services are needed but should be aimed to teach folks to fish as opposed to giving them a fish for a day.
on social issues I lean libertarian. live and let live.
atheists do not all share one political view anymore than all believers do.
you wouldn't want me to insist you were part of the christian right, would you?
Well, I'm not saying all atheists are all secret commies. However, all atheists do typically support secular humanism.
no we don't. thats like saying all theists support Islam.
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That doesn't represent a democracy, it represents Nationalism which has nothing to do with free markets or economies.
nationalism? where are you getting your info? some christian propaganda website? try getting your knowledge from right the horses mouth.
What we have now is a Republic with state rights and laws, a nation operated as a democracy, and "a capitalistic system where the government offers a safety net and social services" that needs to be trained back IMO. While I agree we need to "teach folks to fish as opposed to giving them a fish for a day", some folks just don't like to fish.
and there are plenty of atheists who would agree with you and christians who wouldn't.
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Nationalism tends to lead in a certain political direction and that is rarely democratic. The direction of Democratic Nationalism is where I see atheists and secular humanists steering the country which sets us up for a One World Gov't. When that happens, there won't be a gov't "of the people for the people". It will be a control of people, policy, economics, food, you name it. It's the new socialism, and it will raise the temp of water slowly to boiling so we don't even feel it.
there are nationalists christians too, and atheists who aren't.
you are taking "atheism" as if it were a philosophy in and of itself.
thats like saying "theism" is a philosophy.
well since it must be and muslims are theists, you must be a muslim. right?
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Posted:
Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:45 am
Missionary wrote:
hillbillyatheist wrote:
Missionary, you seem to have a false dichotomy going.
there is a big difference between a capitalistic system where the government offers a safety net and social services, verses outright state control over the entire economy.
many christians are on the left politically and there are plenty of atheists on the right, and some such as objectivists are purely libertarian. (pure capitalism with no safety net or social services)
so your claim that we're all secret commies is bullshit.
I for one am a moderate on economics, and think conservatives are almost right but tend to think social services are needed but should be aimed to teach folks to fish as opposed to giving them a fish for a day.
on social issues I lean libertarian. live and let live.
atheists do not all share one political view anymore than all believers do.
you wouldn't want me to insist you were part of the christian right, would you?
Well, I'm not saying all atheists are all secret commies. However, all atheists do typically support secular humanism. That doesn't represent a democracy, it represents Nationalism which has nothing to do with free markets or economies. What we have now is a Republic with state rights and laws, a nation operated as a democracy, and "a capitalistic system where the government offers a safety net and social services" that needs to be trained back IMO. While I agree we need to "teach folks to fish as opposed to giving them a fish for a day", some folks just don't like to fish.
Nationalism tends to lead in a certain political direction and that is rarely democratic. The direction of Democratic Nationalism is where I see atheists and secular humanists steering the country which sets us up for a One World Gov't. When that happens, there won't be a gov't "of the people for the people". It will be a control of people, policy, economics, food, you name it. It's the new socialism, and it will raise the temp of water slowly to boiling so we don't even feel it.
Nationalism? What the hell are you babbling about now? I fail to see how secular humanism isn't democratic. Nationalism is "my country right or wrong". If you think nationalism points to a one world government, you must have your head somewhere it doesn't belong. What I see here leads to the "If you're atheist, then you're not American" attitude.
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What the hell are you babbling about now? I fail to see how secular humanism isn't democratic. Nationalism is "my country right or wrong". If you think nationalism points to a one world government, you must have your head somewhere it doesn't belong. What I see here leads to the "If you're atheist, then you're not American" attitude.
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