Any good cities for Atheists?

Just Arrived Joined: Apr 12, 2008 Posts: 7

Cygnus wrote:

Hey GermanyBert, what do those German sentences mean?

It is secret. I would tell you but then I would have to dispose of you. Wink

Just Arrived Joined: Apr 12, 2008 Posts: 7

MrSmith wrote:

Problem with Europe is that while the Xtian pop is dropping the Muslim pop is rapidly going up. If things continue at the current pace many nations (France, Spain, UK) will be Islamic states within the century. Europe is becoming Eurabia.

Very true. European population rate the last time I checked was 0.8 percent. A community needs 2.3 percent just to remain even.

But I think Europeans will eventually rise up and take their land back. It will be a bloody mess when it happens though.

Europe's pacifism is a bit to much for their own good.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 514

GermanyBert wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

Problem with Europe is that while the Xtian pop is dropping the Muslim pop is rapidly going up. If things continue at the current pace many nations (France, Spain, UK) will be Islamic states within the century. Europe is becoming Eurabia.

Very true. European population rate the last time I checked was 0.8 percent. A community needs 2.3 percent just to remain even.

But I think Europeans will eventually rise up and take their land back. It will be a bloody mess when it happens though.

Europe's pacifism is a bit to much for their own good.

Agreed. I really do not like Islam. Clearly fabricated by Mohammed and it is such a warmongering, controlling religion. I still haven't seen anything to suggest that Allah is merciful, unless not sending me to hell if I'm good is mercifull. As for Europe's pacifism, people in France seem to be a little distrusting of the new Arab population. One law in France does not permit the wearing of religious garments and visible prayer like that in Islam. I think this law should be slackened. Many muslims are dissatisfied with it and end up sending their kids to more conservative Islamic schools. Of course, this only increases the number of conservative muslims. Whereas if they went to public school, they might become europeanized.

Just Arrived Joined: Apr 12, 2008 Posts: 7

What I see in Germany is most of Muslims will NEVER be Euopeanized. They purposely segregate themselves from anyone who is not Muslim.

The men will interact with non-muslim men but the women are of course forbidden from having ant contact with non-muslims other then paying the cashier at a store when shopping.

Problem in Germany is the Germans are still ultra-sensitive to the Holocaust and will never do anything that make it look like they are oppressing any non-German race. While I agree that the Holocaust was a horrible time in their history I also think it time for them to get over it a bit.

The church has WAY too much power in European countries. This is strange to me since in comparison to the USA, the church in Europe (at least in Germany) is dead. All the Germans I know only go to church for their confimation and weddings

The Learned Joined: Jun 13, 2005 Posts: 115

Cygnus wrote:

GermanyBert wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

Problem with Europe is that while the Xtian pop is dropping the Muslim pop is rapidly going up. If things continue at the current pace many nations (France, Spain, UK) will be Islamic states within the century. Europe is becoming Eurabia.

Very true. European population rate the last time I checked was 0.8 percent. A community needs 2.3 percent just to remain even.

But I think Europeans will eventually rise up and take their land back. It will be a bloody mess when it happens though.

Europe's pacifism is a bit to much for their own good.

Agreed. I really do not like Islam. Clearly fabricated by Mohammed and it is such a warmongering, controlling religion. I still haven't seen anything to suggest that Allah is merciful, unless not sending me to hell if I'm good is mercifull. As for Europe's pacifism, people in France seem to be a little distrusting of the new Arab population. One law in France does not permit the wearing of religious garments and visible prayer like that in Islam. I think this law should be slackened. Many muslims are dissatisfied with it and end up sending their kids to more conservative Islamic schools. Of course, this only increases the number of conservative muslims. Whereas if they went to public school, they might become europeanized.

The trouble is Europe letting in Muslims in the first place.

We should not be giving passports to people who do not share our cultural values...muslims should only be given residence permits to live and work - only those who renounce the religion completely and adopt European names should be considered for citizenship.

N.

Newbie First Class Joined: Mar 29, 2008 Posts: 48

Sadly Europeans will wait until it is literally too late to do anything about the matter. In France and Spain it's already a done deal given the rates of reproduction of Europeans vs. Muslims. That's even if they except no more Islamic aliens into their nation starting today. When Europe falls to Islam things will get pretty ugly. I'm just hoping that I'll be dead before things really get dire. Maybe European Islam will go the way of European Xtianity and fade away...maybe.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 514

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Maybe European Islam will go the way of European Xtianity and fade away...maybe.

In that case, it may take centuries. Seriously, what would happen to German beer? French wine? European culture? I don't object to the muslims themselves, just their religion and its conservative aspects (which are almost always imposed when a country is predominately muslim).

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:10 pm

Olympia, Seattle, and surrounding areas.

Newbie First Class Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 29

LA, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, all have sizeable atheist communities. Check out Realtor.com for the demographics. Now, when I say sizeable i mean comparatively. You might get a tad disheartened when you see how small a sizeable number of atheists actually is.

Newbie First Class Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 29

Wow. I guess I was wrong. They no longer give stats on religion. You may have to go to the census website instead. I wonder why the change?

Newbie First Class Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 29

The only credible stats that I could find were from the BARNA research group and this is still dubious because of their obvious evangelical bias. Still, I think I trust these stats:

One of the measures developed by George Barna for the Faith By Market report estimates how Christian-oriented a market’s population is, based upon a combination of faith factors. The top market was Jackson, Mississippi, whose indexed score was 46% higher than the national norm. Close behind were Little Rock and Birmingham. Barna noted that in relation to this composite rating, the 16 highest-rated markets were all located in the South.

The markets whose indexed score was at the bottom of the list were Boston and Providence, whose scores were 35% below the national norm.

In a similar manner, the state whose population generated the highest Christian-orientation score was Alabama.

Other Highlights From the Report

The Faith By Market report explores 40 different factors among the adults located in each of the markets and states studied. Those factors include a dozen religious beliefs, ten religious practices, various religious commitments and affiliations, and a dozen demographic attributes.

Among the many intriguing insights from the report are the following:

Just 3 of the nation’s 25 largest metropolitan areas have a born again majority. However, 15 of the 27 mid-sized markets (adult population of a half-million up to one million) have a born again majority.

The market with the highest percentage of adults who volunteer at a church during an average week is Salt Lake City. The market with the lowest rate of church volunteerism is Buffalo.

Sunday school attendance among adults is most common in Salt Lake City, and least common in Portland, Maine.

Involvement in an adult small group is most prolific in Shreveport, Louisiana. The three markets with the lowest rates of small group participation are Albany (NY), Boston and Providence.

The market with the highest percentage of adults who consider themselves to be Baptist is Shreveport. The market with the highest percentage that claims allegiance to the Catholic church is Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The connection to the Methodist church is highest in Wichita, Kansas. Affiliation with a Lutheran church was greatest in Minneapolis-St. Paul.

People are most likely to attend a large church in Houston. They are most likely to attend a church of less than 100 adults in Lexington, KY.

Adults are most likely to claim they have a responsibility to share their religious beliefs with other people if they live in Birmingham, Alabama. That perspective is least common in Providence and Green Bay.

The metro area in which adults are most likely to believe that Satan is a symbol of evil but not a living presence is the Brownsville-McAllen-Harlingen market in Texas.

People are most likely to believe that they can earn their salvation if they live in Salt Lake City.

The highest percentage of adults who believe that Jesus Christ sinned during his life on earth is in Des Moines, Iowa.

Believing that God is "the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the universe who still rules it today" is most common in Tulsa. It is least predominant in Boston and San Francisco.

The state with the highest percentage of its residents attending large churches is Arizona. Such behavior is least common in Missouri.

The states with the lowest proportion of born again residents having shared their faith in Christ with a non-believer in the past year were Massachusetts and Tennessee. Personal evangelism efforts were most common in Alabama and Louisiana.

The largest percentage of adults who are "notional Christians" - that is, those who consider themselves to be Christian but are not born again - are found in Massachusetts and Wisconsin.

One out of every six residents of Massachusetts, Connecticut and Washington are atheist or agnostic - nearly double the national average. Atheists and agnostics are hardest to locate in Louisiana and Missouri.

It looks like Boston is the way to go if you can stand the racism.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 514

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LA, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, all have sizeable atheist communities.

In Portland, you'll find a good number of just about any kind of person imaginable. I would think of Portland as a good community. However, if you want the most non-believer friendly atmosphere, Sweden would be the best country to go to. 84% of the people are non believers.

The Learned Joined: Nov 30, 2004 Posts: 122

Not that there isn't churches in Seattle (Casey Treat's Christian Faith Center is there) but the city has gotten so big that believers who actually practice their faith are definitely in the minority. In fact if you are a believer there it's best to keep that a secret lest you not get your job or get watched like a hawk because the christians that are around tend to be fundy's.

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:04 am

I believe that the people concerned about Europe's muslim future are overreacting. The muslim's may be reproducing faster but to automatically assume that their children will share the same beliefs as their parents or to assume that the parents will not change is incorrect. Western culture is highly attractive, people like it, they watch hollywood movies, aspire to be rich, and wear jeans. It is when people are excluded from participation in western culture—i.e. you can see it, but not touch it—this is when problems occur.

Give young European muslims a good education, a chance to participate in European civilisation, and they will think of themselves as Europeans first, and muslims second (or 3rd or 4th).


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