Economic Stimulus Act a sham?

Master of Logic Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 9325

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Everyone should contribute or not expect anything from others.

Contribute how? There are more ways to contribute to society than merely having a huge paycheck. People who stay home and take care of the kids are contributing by keeping those kids on the right track.

What I don't get about middle and rich class is how they can condemn a poor person who pumps gas or cleans toilets as a looser. An honest job IS contributing.

I cant stand people who are work o holics who think everyone should work 100 hours a week and have no life outside their job. I cant stand people who who pay someone to clean the toilets in their house, who won't do it themselves and then condemn the person doing it as being a looser who deserves it because they don't live in a mansion.

I am for the free market and if money is what your life is all about, be my guest, but I do get sick of people who wont get their hands dirty and then bitch about the people who do get their hands dirty.

Every product from gas, to bread, to bricks, to toilet paper, touches the hands of a blue collar or minimum wage worker. Without them the jaded snobs who bitch about them wouldn't be able to get anything done.

If everyone made 5 million a year, who would do the work?

|Our market depends on the existance of all these classes. Do not condemn the poor becuase their priorities are not about jets or mansions or lots of zeros on their paychecks.

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:35 am

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Everyone should contribute or not expect anything from others.

Brian37 wrote:

Contribute how? There are more ways to contribute to society than merely having a huge paycheck. People who stay home and take care of the kids are contributing by keeping those kids on the right track.

What I don't get about middle and rich class is how they can condemn a poor person who pumps gas or cleans toilets as a looser. An honest job IS contributing.

That it is. However, I don't think that's what was meant. I think what was meant was regarding those who can work but refuse to, preferring to live off the largesse and "benificence" of the government, i.e. the taxpayers.

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:36 am

McDuffie_for_Congress wrote:

Knight: did you know that Sean no longer considers himself a market anarchist? He is moving towards the Chicago school.
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Saitou wrote:

That's a step in the right direction.

No it isn't. The idiot monetarists think everything can be solved by playing with interest rates and fucking with the money supply.

Want to know what happens when you do that?

Right now. The economic situation we're in. THAT is what happens.

The Learned Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 139

Saitou wrote:

We'd need a constitutional amendment banning other forms of taxation before we could implement the Fair Tax. Otherwise the government will just turn it into another revenue stream.

Taxing consumption makes a hell of a lot more sense! Taxing income is just plain ugly. All the money is treated like pure profit when you had to trade so much time and skill (at least for some) to make it. If you're rich but have little in the way of income you're taxed less.

Even though a far right winger buy the standards of most of the people on this forum I can stomach wealthier people paying more however I don't think the progressive tax rates is a good idea since it discourages a lot of behavior that is good.

Also, every adult should pay a minimum amount of tax every year. I can stomach a "small hand" up even though I find wealth transfer immoral even when the government does it. Giving money to losers and leaches I don't like at all. Everyone should contribute or not expect anything from others.

Getting rid of all other tax would be a good idea. We sould have one solid high sales tax in the place of the income tax. It would probably get rid of social security as people would be able to save up their money.

You can't just label the lower class like that, though. Of course there are people who are leeches and people who are losers, but mostly there are people who were not brought up the right way to value education, people who saw no way out of their poverty, and people who may have been denied proper food, shelter, and an environment to learn by poverty. And as Brian37 said, we do need the lower class.

It seems like some people don't like paying taxes for social programs because they are afraid that that money might go to help one of the people who live off the welfare system. I read part of Nickel and Dimed, and it had one chapter on a journalist who decided to go live on a minimum wage job or two. Despite what people think, most of the lower class does work really hard.

Newbie Joined: Feb 04, 2008 Posts: 23

Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:

McDuffie_for_Congress wrote:

Knight: did you know that Sean no longer considers himself a market anarchist? He is moving towards the Chicago school.
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Saitou wrote:

That's a step in the right direction.

No it isn't. The idiot monetarists think everything can be solved by playing with interest rates and fucking with the money supply.

Want to know what happens when you do that?

Right now. The economic situation we're in. THAT is what happens.

Not to mention their downright nutty view of gold, and their views on antitrust.


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