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Posted:
Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:57 am
This is a video of some guy apparently demolishing the Atheist Religion of Darwinism & Evolution.
It's all here folks, abiogenesis, the Big Bang, DNA and information etc. etc. etc.
Note how many times he say's how smart he is.
We shall SEE about that...
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DigitalAtheist Graduate Thinker
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Posted:
Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:18 pm
If he comes from "Québec, in Canada" as he claims, then he is used to arguing from the minority position. In the 1960's a very, very disgruntled populace rose up and absolutely ousted religion from almost all facets of life. (They call it the
Quiet Revolution
.) This fellow reminds me of my perennial obsession regarding how and why these nutter religions pop up in secular societies.
I would like to have viewed other parts of this conversation (was it actually a formal debate?) to confirm this, but he seems to be using a conversation style that I see a lot of people taking his position use. He is
over-talking
both the other guest and the host. He is not the worst at it (think Hovind), but it is interesting to note.
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MockingGods Master of Logic
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Posted:
Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:59 pm
More arguments from ignorance...
You can't explain X therefore God. Of course they're so much more subtle now calling God a "creator".
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iPondR Graduate Thinker
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Posted:
Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:38 am
DigitalAtheist wrote:
If he comes from "Québec, in Canada" as he claims, then he is used to arguing from the minority position. In the 1960's a very, very disgruntled populace rose up and absolutely ousted religion from almost all facets of life. (They call it the
Quiet Revolution
.) This fellow reminds me of my perennial obsession regarding how and why these nutter religions pop up in secular societies.
> hmmm, there is SO much I do NOT know about your country! Fascinating!
> this guy seems like the Japanese soldiers hiding in the jungles of the Pacific long after the war... still believing in the Empire... still believing... still...
Quote:
I would like to have viewed other parts of this conversation (was it actually a formal debate?) to confirm this, but he seems to be using a conversation style that I see a lot of people taking his position use. He is
over-talking
both the other guest and the host. He is not the worst at it (think Hovind), but it is interesting to note.
Indeed, he relies heavily on rhetorical style and the appeal to emotion seeing as his opening argument concerning DNA is a huge MEH!
I hope to go into more detail when time permits, it's a classic straw man / god of the gaps... but he keeps reiterating his qualifications and where he has worked as a compensation for his lack of credibility in the fields being discussed.
So, for example, an IT expert might try to refute the fact that natural selection can generate new information in the genome...
Or, an engineer might say that evolution or abiogenesis or the big bang is impossible because it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics...
MockingGods wrote:
You can't explain X therefore God. Of course they're so much more subtle now calling God a "creator".
That's a political manouvre to get creationism into public schools. Call 'it' whatever... bait & switch will not make creationist/ID arguments more persuasive outside of the credulous. Creating universes [historically; 'worlds'] is axiomatic to theism so they always end up with the problem of first cause and they always claim the supernatural escape clause.
In my mind, this guy fails from the outset because it IS possible to explain the origins of DNA... all he's done is pick out a small section of the debate and discovery process and zoom in on it, then blowing it out of proportion as a way of refuting the whole of evolutionary theory. He could have gone further back to critique RNA world hypothesis, and so on... but you don't stop at DNA. Nice try sunshine.
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kurdistan101 Confident Learner
Joined: Sep 02, 2010
Posts: 67
Posted:
Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:31 pm
MockingGods wrote:
You can't explain X therefore God.
This is the funniest shit, I love the word CAN'T, so apparently God CAN explain in which of his divine books has he shown that he CAN explain, the flat earth, earth the center of the universe, sun revolving around the earth, the origins of the human specie, water and dirt mixed = mud, liver, kidneys, heart, brain, MUD yep works every time, we CAN observe this in labs in nature, God your a genius, how did you come up with this?? That's why your the all wise. and what about the other millions of species God? were they created like us from MUD, no we humans are special, MUD was saved just for us, just forget it, accept God and lock your brain, and keep killing in his name.
This video is pathetic, pathetic. but funny, I laughed, I realy did
kurdistan101 Confident Learner
Joined: Sep 02, 2010
Posts: 67
Posted:
Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:54 pm
iPondR wrote:
In my mind, this guy fails from the outset because it IS possible to explain the origins of DNA... all he's done is pick out a small section of the debate and discovery process and zoom in on it, then blowing it out of proportion as a way of refuting the whole of evolutionary theory. He could have gone further back to critique RNA world hypothesis, and so on... but you don't stop at DNA. Nice try sunshine.
you said it pal,
this is the case with every creationist
iPondR Graduate Thinker
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Location: Aussie Prawn Facility; District 10
Posted:
Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:50 pm
What's even stupid-er is the comments gallery... viz.
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intrepidorator
1 month ago
I love it, the athiest is trying to define what the creationists argument is, but he is getting it wrong. He seems to think that be redifining the creationists argument he might stand a chance of winning the debate. The creationist has explained that 397 genes are REQUIRED for the simplest bacteria to exist. There is no way that 2 genes got to gether and then a 3rd joined it until finally we had 397 genes. The bacteria would not have survived with less than 397. SO..397 is the starting point.
NO EFFWIT!! That's NOT what origins is saying happened... life didn't start with 'zero genes' then 'two genes' and so on NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
You don't have to refute stupid to 'win' a 'debate' false premises are self-refuting. The cretin-ationist loses on his own account.
In fact IF biologists WERE to say (and they don't) that DNA would have to spring into existence from 'zero' then that would be proof of a divine creator but again that's not what they say.
1. Equates the 'God of the Gaps' with the use of 'Chance' as an explanation for everything... [conveniently ignoring what is really meant by chance... see prev. post for link to 'Top 10 List Why Anti-Evolutionists are WRONG']
2. Why is there something rather than nothing... [also the KCA, the Anthropic, Intelligent Design(er), Moral Order...
i.e. where do Atheists get their 'moral compass' from...
Honestly, this guy is not doing anything new, he's well spoken and not wide-eyed so I like him (for a theist)
I'm not impressed with his one-dimensional interpretation of the evolution of altruism and cooperation.
He also makes a pee-weak attack of a-biogenesis...
And.... here it comes...[drumroll] "time & chance, something out of nothing and morality evolving"
Roll-up, roll-up it's the theists telling atheists what they 'believe' in show
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING
WORTH
WATCHING...
... how Apple Computer inspires the phanboys (no, I don't use Apple computers, I gave them up in the 90's) ...
Simon Sinek: How great leaders inspire action;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4
we're all being jerked around by our limbic brains... "it's ALL biology"
Yep, that's right, the people f*cking with our minds know shitloads more than we do and always will... because they get paid so well for doing it... [another iPondR community message]
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in which of his divine books has he shown that he CAN explain, the flat earth, earth the center of the universe, sun revolving around the earth, the origins of the human specie, water and dirt mixed = mud, liver, kidneys, heart, brain, MUD yep works every time, we CAN observe this in labs in nature, God your a genius, how did you come up with this?? That's why your the all wise. and what about the other millions of species God? were they created like us from MUD, no we humans are special, MUD was saved just for us, just forget it, accept God and lock your brain, and keep killing in his name.
