What is the price of a virgin child?

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What is the price of a virgin child?

The R C C has in the past sold indulgences of various types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN__LdCFQFU

Before the reformation, a man could buy forgiveness for just about any sin.
The higher the sin, the higher the price.
That practice continues today.

With all the Catholic sex scandals of late, and with the Vatican seeming to protect priests from secular law, I wondered just how much the Pope and Bishops were charging, in the way of indulgences, from priest for forgiveness for raping a virgin boy or girl.

I know that the Vatican, as well as other Christian churches pays well to the parents of these children to shut them up and make them go away without prosecuting, but wondered just what penalties or price they asked from the sinners. The priest that is.

I also wondered what indulgence the Pope would ask of Himself for collusion, in facilitating the freedom of these perpetrators and pedophiles and allowing them to offend again and again.

Since the Church seems to be getting away with these crimes with impunity by indulgence, I think all R C should be curious as to the indulgences required by the Church so that all believers will know up front just how much a virgin rape is worth.

I know that most financial settlements from the church, Catholic or Protestant, come with a non disclosure clause but would invite any that have profited from the rape of their children to anonymously let us know as we would not want those parents who will profit in the future from the rape of their child to be short changed by the Church.

Help your fellow Christians and Catholics gain full value for their children’s virginity and abuse by stepping up and telling us how much you received.

It is possible that none will tell us the price they received, for fear of losing this dirty money, so I would ask all other Christians and Catholics---

How much is your child’s virginity and good mental health worth to you?

Regards
DL

P S. This thread was born of another issue speaking to bringing the Pope and others to justice for pedophilia but most responders, here and elsewhere, had little to no care or concern for the victims and seemed to think that it would be impossible to get justice because politicians and officials were too cowardly to enforce the law, so I thought it my duty to the victims to insure that they received the full going rate and payment for their virginity and good mental health.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9f82BX3aNI

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:52 pm

We talk about a lot of reprehensible carp in this forum, but never – before this post – has a anything left me feeling icky.

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:58 pm

GIA wrote:

P S. This thread was born of another issue speaking to bringing the Pope and others to justice for pedophilia but most responders, here and elsewhere, had little to no care or concern for the victims and seemed to think that it would be impossible to get justice because politicians and officials were too cowardly to enforce the law, so I thought it my duty to the victims to insure that they received the full going rate and payment for their virginity and good mental health.

I have no desire to see justice (which is just a fancy word for revenge) applied to anyone. My only wish is to see harmful behaviors prevented or modified. Justice doesn't seem to be an affective measure of behavior modification. We've been affecting harm on humans who behave in an antisocial manner for millennia, and yet these behaviors persist.

Also, my stance on this subject shouldn't be construed as indifference towards those who are harmed. Pleas to indifference, as you are making GIA, weakens your point.

I've been thinking about certain sexual proclivities of late and the idea crossed my mind to start a new thread on the subject of pedophilia. It may not get the attention in this thread I wish, but what the heck...

I've been hearing of late much talk about homosexuality having a biological foundation. Is it possible the sexual attraction to people under a certain arbitrary age might also be biological? We are beginning, as a society, to treat homosexuals with the respect due to any other human, mostly I think because of a biological foundation, we now understand, they cannot control. If the homosexual can't control their biological foundation, and the same holds true for the pedophile, why should we continue to treat them with so much vitriol and hatred?

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Just because all human behaviors reside in a statistical ratio doesn't mean all human behaviors deserve respect. Homosexuality gets respect because because it is a behavior that can be entered by consent.

Pedophile should not deserve respect/ A child is not mentally capable of knowing the ramifications of sex, even if they consent to it. Even without ever being molested myself, as a kid and a teen my raging hormones caused me falsely to believe that any attention given to me by a girl was love, when it was merely my desire to be loved and merely being horny/

You could make more of a case of mutual sex between people of the same age. But any act where manipulation or force is involved, that cannot be considered moral, even rape of an adult is immoral.

Just because we can observe any human behavior doesn't make it automatically moral, it merely means we can observe it.

I am with you that "justice" is a utopia comic book word left over from religion. Crime can only be regulated and contained/ Sometimes corrective actions can work, but most of the time humans can only minimize harm.

Homosexuality has falsely been lumped into the same category as pedophilia. Both are a statistical minority, but unlike homosexuality, pedophilia is the harmful action of using a child for sexual gratification via force or manipulation.

I am sure that if you studied cereal killers you could find some mental or genetic factors that go into their makeup outside any upbringing. That doen't mean that we should respect them because they cant control themselves.

Defects in human behavior doesn't make an act moral by proxy of observation.

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:20 pm

Thank you for engaging me in this very controversial topic Brian.

Brian wrote:

Pedophile should not deserve respect/ A child is not mentally capable of knowing the ramifications of sex, even if they consent to it.

How do we determine if a person is mentally capable? It certainly can't be an arbitrary age we invent. Also, might the mental incapacity be simply a failure to inform? I've said many times, we should give a test to determine sexual activity suitability and NOT base this on an arbitrary age. If you pass the test, you can have consensual sex with whomever you prefer.

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Just because we can observe any human behavior doesn't make it automatically moral, it merely means we can observe it.

I wasn't necessarily arguing from a moral context. It's typically moral for someone to drink alcohol, but it's generally thought immoral (or at least illegal) to imbibe and drive. Could not the sexual attraction be seen as moral or at least amoral (if it's a biological proclivity they can't control), but NOT the act? If this is the case, we should seek to help these people who are sexually attracted to what society deems "underage", not revile them.

I'll bump up the controversy just slightly with the next statement. It probably goes without saying that almost (perhaps all) every human has been at one time sexually attracted to someone under the legal age of consent. Most however don't act upon this attraction because of the social, moral and legal implications.

edit: A little definitional clarification is in order
A pedophile is a person who is, or I'd imagine has been, sexually attracted to children (age indeterminate).

Pedophilia would be acting out on that attraction.

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:46 pm

Ok... a little more fuel for the proverbial fire.

If I asked the question, "Were you ever sexually attracted to another child (less then the legal age of consent) when you yourself were a child?", how many of us would answer in the affirmative? All of us?

If this is the case, do you believe this attraction magically disappears when we reach the age of consent? I don't think it does, in fact, I'm fairly well convince it's simply socially repressed... and perhaps for understandable reasons. I would further argue that sexual attraction appears to be mostly, if not completely, instinctual with perhaps a small amount of social conditioning thrown in for good measure.

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:45 pm

I think that my views are made fairly clear by my post above; however, if anyone needs a CONCRETE measure, then I suggest that you look to our holy books. As a general rule, we may consider what "The Prophet" (or any prophet) did. Then we should do the exact opposite.

In this case, it's straight-forward. The prophet slept with Aisha, therefore, it follows logically that it is not proper to touch children.

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:30 pm

DigitalAtheist wrote:

I think that my views are made fairly clear by my post above; however, if anyone needs a CONCRETE measure, then I suggest that you look to our holy books. As a general rule, we may consider what "The Prophet" (or any prophet) did. Then we should do the exact opposite.

In this case, it's straight-forward. The prophet slept with Aisha, therefore, it follows logically that it is not proper to touch children.


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