If I were to tell you that I had revelations last night from god that you join my religion he will reward you by doubling virgins count, would you believe me? Would you?
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I would need a valid reason to reject that sort of claim.
Therefore, I would read your holy book and if it seemed
better than Koran, I would accept you.
God told us not to deny anything without proper evidence.
If I did, I would have been an Atheist.
And that is exactly why humans, past and present believe absurd things. Good use of logic is the opposite. You should demand a good reason to accept something. You don't accept something first and then challenge others to debunk it.
And that's why fools become lemmings. You would be doing it for the same reason you became a Muslim. If you switched to something other than Islam, it would be for the same reason, because it makes you feel good...
First of all, I did not say that I accept as valid something only because it makes me feel good.
If I did say such a thing, then it would mean that I am not be interested in reality and facts.
I would instead keep with me a good supply of Columbian Pure.
Second, I follow the obvious way, like scienctists, who accept a new claim, provided it does not sound absurd, and, they then go and examine it to see if the claim is true or false.
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Brian37 Master of Logic
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:23 pm
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First of all, I did not say that I accept as valid something only because it makes me feel good.
I never said you said that. I am saying that IS what you are doing, whether or not you realize it.
Brian37 Master of Logic
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:24 pm
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but instead keep with me a good supply of Columbian Pure.
No one needs to supply you with drugs, you are already high on your fictional Allah.
MockingGods Master of Logic
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:07 pm
rayback wrote:
Second, I follow the obvious way like scienctists who accept a new claim if it does not sound absurd and they then go and examine it to see if it is true or false.
This isn't quite right. Scientists (good ones anyway) don't accept before proof. It's the other way around. It goes something like this... hypothesis, test, data, acceptance or rejection based upon the data/proof. However, they may weight a hypothesis' probability prior to testing based upon certain already known data.
With your god Ray, did you accept before examining it true of false? Did you look for data after already coming to the conclusion that it was true? In my experience, this is what most religious people do.
rayback The Learned
Joined: Jun 10, 2009
Posts: 187
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:00 pm
Brian37 wrote:
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First of all, I did not say that I accept as valid something only because it makes me feel good.
I never said you said that.
I am saying that IS what you are doing, whether or not you realize it.
Not at all.
That absurd assumption is all in the head of Atheists like you.
I am not like Atheists who accept things simply because they "sound" scientific.
No wonder Atheists are lost. They dont have a clue that is real and unreal.
slavaBogu Confident Learner
Joined: Feb 17, 2006
Posts: 60
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Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:33 am
rayback wrote:
Brian37 wrote:
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First of all, I did not say that I accept as valid something only because it makes me feel good.
I never said you said that.
I am saying that IS what you are doing, whether or not you realize it.
Not at all.
That absurd assumption is all in the head of Atheists like you.
I am not like Atheists who accept things simply because they "sound" scientific.
No wonder Atheists are lost. They dont have a clue that is real and unreal.
Hey Ray, don't worry about atheist for a change.
You came to this board making very specific claims about your god, and rewards he's offering to believers. You have yet to show us any evidence that backup your claims.
So, Do you care to share what evidence led you to believe that Allah is real and Koran is true? Furthermore lets assume that there's a god, what evidence do you have that Muhamad got his revelations from this god?
You already admitted that it's possible that "virgins in heaven" was concocted by manipulative man (i.e. Mr. Muhhamad). I would add that it is also very likely that the prophet was simply mad, I mean all I you got in Islam is some 7th century guy having visions and hearing voice in his head, and all of Islam is based on that. Are there any evidence that he was hearing god (assuming such being really does exists)? Why exclude other natural and more likely explanations like Muhhamad was making stuff up or he was simply crazy.
I tell you one thing if Muhammad was born in modern times, he'd be diagnosed with schizophrenia, and be locked up in a mental institution.
Muslims worship and emulate Muhammad.
Only by understanding him can one know what makes them tick. Understanding Muhammad begins with a brief history of his life. Muhammad had a loveless childhood. He then passed to the care of relatives who took pity on him and spoiled him. As the result he developed narcissistic personality disorder, a trait that made him a megalomaniac bereft of conscience.
Muhammad believed in his own cause. Even when he lied, he felt entitled and justified to do so. Thanks to another mental illness, namely temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations.
He also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules. In the addition, he suffered from acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone resulting in large bones and odd facial features.
The combination of his psychological disorders and his unusual physiognomy made him a phenomenon that set him apart from ordinary people. His uneducated followers interpreted his differences as signs of his prophethood.
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slavaBogu Confident Learner
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Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:42 pm
rayback wrote:
Is that a medical opinion or your personal wish?
It's very likely possibility.
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chizophrenia is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality. Distortions in perception may affect all five senses, including sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch, but
most commonly manifest as auditory hallucinations
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But, that's besides the point, you still haven't answered this:
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Do you care to share what evidence led you to believe that Allah is real and Koran is true? Furthermore lets assume that there's a god, what evidence do you have that Muhamad got his revelations from this god?
rayback The Learned
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Posts: 187
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:34 pm
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There are many logical reasons, as well as hard scientific evidences, for the existence of God.
If you are either a thinker or a scientist, then you would know.
BornAgainAthiest Graduate Thinker
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Posts: 565
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:06 pm
rayback wrote:
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There are many logical reasons, as well as hard scientific evidences, for the existence of God.
If you are either a thinker or a scientist, then you would know.
Failed again, Ray!
Geneboy's a scientist (check his profile) and since you joined this forum he's disputed your so-called logical reasons and hard scientific evidences (which you never back up) for God. I dunno... when it comes to doing your research you just can't seem to get it up, can you?
BornAgainAthiest.
p.s.
Still
shouting
, I see.
rayback The Learned
Joined: Jun 10, 2009
Posts: 187
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Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:56 pm
Geneboy is a very poor scientist, as I have shown in other sections.
I think people will easily be able to see for themselves that even after
he was proven wrong, he still stubbornly stuck to his position just like a fanatic.
Most Atheists are incapable of discussing logical statements.
Maybe my criticism of evolution was too hard for Atheists to answer?
It seems that their ground was shaken.
That is why they locked the Evolution discussion.
If you notice, at the end Atheists always run from a rational debate.
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pr126 Philosophical Prodigy
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Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:09 pm
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rayback The Learned
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Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:23 pm
I just want to know what is Atheists problem with a man who wants to enjoy women?
I am sure that no matter how irrational you guys maybe, you are not anti-women.
pr126 Philosophical Prodigy
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Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:24 am
rayback wrote:
I just want to know what is Atheists problem with a man who wants to enjoy women?
I am sure that no matter how irrational you guys maybe, you are not anti-women.
Nothing against women. Not at all.
We just think it is irrational for any man to convert to a religion, solely for the promise of a celestial whore house.
Of which he has absolutely no proof. None.
There are no stories from any of the companions of the Messenger, coming back and bragging about their 1350 year long continuous "cherry popping". With Allah looking on. What a picture!
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