Are You Going to Hell?

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

Are you going to Hell?

“Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.” (Luke 12.32)

If most everyone believes in God, how is that a little flock?

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Rom. 10.9)

When have you ever confessed this to anyone or said you believed this or tried to lead someone to Christ?

“Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.” (Matt. 10.32)

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures” (1 Cor. 15.3).

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3.23).

If you don’t accept you’re a sinner in need of salvation, Jesus is God, uncreated, died on the cross for your sins and resurrected, you will go to Hell.

If you wonder why you don’t even try to lead anyone to Christ it’s because you don’t have the Holy Spirit in your spirit, since you are not born-again.

"No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." (John 3.3)

If you are not going to see God’s kingdom, then Jesus proclaims, you “shalt be thrust down to hell” (Luke 10.15).

Confident Learner Joined: Jul 07, 2008 Posts: 71

Yes

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:05 pm

If Heaven is filled with holier than thou Fundies, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, and other filth, then yes I will go to Hell to escape the hypocrites.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

You'll join those hypocrites in hell. Distinguish between Christendom and Christianity. Everyone in Christianity is saved, but not everyone in Christendom is saved.

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/KKH.htm

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:44 pm

Ah, but FS, they are Christians. Just ask them and their followers. I judge Xianity by its actions, not words.

Your religion has a long and ongoing history of hate and violence. Small wonder I and many others reject it.

Look up Secular Humanism. That is what I am. Do good for its own sake, not for some supernatural rewards from a mythical sky daddy.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

The Bible says not everyone who says Lord, Lord will be saved, obviously, because they are false Christians. Jesus never hated, so why bear false witness? Humanism didn't cause the universe, so why believe in a lie?

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:36 pm

Humans are real, myths are not. Why do you reject Loki's love? For rejecting him, you will freeze forever in Niffleheim and I shed tears for you because you will not accept Loki's love.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

Most scholars accept Jesus walked the earth. Never heard of Loki.

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:26 pm

Most religious scholars who are already biased. Loki is the god of mischief, fire, change, and magic. Loki is the friend to mankind who keeps man warm and healthy to resist Aesir tyranny.

Jesus was a common name in that part of the world, 2000 years ago. About as common a name as John.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

I am referring to only skeptical scholars, terminal and accredited in peer reviews.

The Jesus we are talking about is very specific and the most well documented Jesus in history. You can't miss Him. He died on the cross, fulfilled many prophecies and said He would prove He is God and Creator by His resurrection which was well testified.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

12 Historical Facts (Most Critical Scholars Believe These 12 items)

Gary Habermas – leading scholar and foremost expert in world on the resurrection of Jesus

http://www.garyhabermas.com/video/video.htm

1. Jesus died by crucifixion.

2. He was buried.

3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.

4. The tomb was empty (the most contested).

5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).

6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.

7. The resurrection was the central message.

8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem.

9. The Church was born and grew.

10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.

11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).

12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:06 am

ForeverSaved wrote:

12 Historical Facts (Most Critical Scholars Believe These 12 items)

Critical scholars? You mean Christian Critical Scholars? You can count them on one hand

ForeverSaved wrote:

Gary Habermas – leading scholar and foremost expert in world on the resurrection of Jesus

http://www.garyhabermas.com/video/video.htm

1. Jesus died by crucifixion.

This makes him the Messiah? Do you know how many people were crucified in the ancient world? The way Christians talk, you think the only person crucified was Jesus.

ForeverSaved wrote:

2. He was buried.

A good point! He died so they BURIED him! Couldn't have him stinking up the place

ForeverSaved wrote:

3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.

If a guy I hung out with could turn water into wine but got himself killed, yeah, I'd lament too

ForeverSaved wrote:

4. The tomb was empty (the most contested).

Except for the shroud of Turin. No wait, that shows up 1300 years later

ForeverSaved wrote:

5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).

Experiences they BELIEVED? I thought you said there were facts

ForeverSaved wrote:

6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.

You said they were in despair but you change that to doubters? If my boss died I would despair for a little while, then divvy up his stuff

ForeverSaved wrote:

7. The resurrection was the central message.

Nope, Christians believe Jesus DIED for their sins, not RISE for their sins. Some savior, huh? Why sacrifice yourself if you know you're going to come back to life again?

ForeverSaved wrote:

8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem.

Too bad nobody wrote that down for 40+ more years

ForeverSaved wrote:

9. The Church was born and grew.

Paul did that, not Jesus' disciples.

ForeverSaved wrote:

10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.

Just like the followers of Mithras! Copycats

ForeverSaved wrote:

11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).

His brother James? Sticking his fingers in the holes and stick his hand in his side?

ForeverSaved wrote:

12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).

Or he made it all up.

What you have done is set up a list of twelve points that you BELIEVE but you present them as FACTS. If you had said "These things I believe" then you would be sitting pretty right now, but instead you said these points are FACT.

Provide evidence for your points. Show us where in the historical record that these events took place. If you can not find any evidence to support your claims then you do not have facts, you have beliefs.

Beliefs are fine, facts without evidence are not.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

Christian scholars are not critical against the Word because they believe the Word. I am referring to critical scholars, non-believers, people who don't want to believe Jesus is God or that He was resurrected, despite the evidence.

1. In antiquity in centuries before Christ nobody was crucified on a cross, for that was introduced by Romans.
2. I am glad to see you admit he lived, died and was burried.
3. You are critical and you admit they lost hope.
4. How does the shroud of turin make the tomb not empty?
5. More than belief, but they said they could touch, talk with, walk with, eat with and see physically wide awake in avarious group settings. How do you explain this away?
6. They despaired because it appeared their Messiah was not the Messiah after all since He died, so naturally this creates doubt, but that doubt went away when they saw him resurrected. Let me know if you understand this point?
7. Both His death and resurrection are mentioned in every book of the NT and several books of the OT. How can you shut your mind down to this fact? The reason you die for sinners is because sinners can't save themselves; the reason you resurrect is to show we will be resurrected as He was to receive eternal life.
8. What evidence do you have it wasn't written down for 40+ years? There is no reason to doubt it was written soon after since the message has been preserved in the books of the NT.
9. The church was built by all the apostles; the Bible talks about the other disciples building the church and who travelled with who on various trips to different cities. Read your Bible dude. Critical scholars don't deny this as they have read the Bible.
10. Mithras has no group attestation of resurrection for why Sunday is the day of gathering. This makes Christianity unique.
11. Nothing is said about sticking fingers in holes, only that James saw Jesus resurrected; only then was he converted.
12. People don't make stuff up going to their deaths, to give up all wealth and goods for this new life in truly believing their claim. Paul had it all in Judaism and gave it all up.

The reason these are facts is because sceptical scholars believe them, and they believe them because of the evidence for them. However, they don't want to accept Jesus is God. Nonetheless, they don't know how to overturn these evidences because they are so well documented in the historical record, so what they do is shut their mind down because they have no alternative explanation. This is all the proof you can ask of God to give you to give you the choice.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Oct 24, 2005 Posts: 666

ForeverSaved wrote:

The Bible says not everyone who says Lord, Lord will be saved, obviously, because they are false Christians.

They say they are Christian, you say you are Christian. How am I supposed to know who is telling the truth? You might be the person described in that verse you are quoting.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

Read your Bible.


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