Romans 1:20 is BS!

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:58 am

Christians love to cite Romans 1:20 that says “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.”

Any atheist knows this is absolute BS because we do NOT see it. I know the bible is WRONG from that passage alone.

Now, for those theists that think I am lying so I can live a life of sin even though I KNOW I am going to burn in hell for ETERNITY, I ask this.

How do you make the leap we KNOW it is your god?

Native Americans a few hundred years ago never heard ANYTHING about Jesus; I would go so far as to say the MAJORITY of humans in history never heard ANYTHING about Jesus. So are they in hell?

How is my non acceptance of the bible any different than theirs? Obviously I am ignorant to the existence of YOUR god. Or I would believe. I may choose not to worship the bastard, but I would believe he exists. I DON’T!

Muslims credit THEIR god for creating everything. Why not make the leap to THEIR god did it?

Romans 1:20 is absolutely WRONG to anyone rational enough to think it through.

Master of Logic Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 9384

God is all powerful so God can contradict himself.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:38 am

The Bible wrote:

being understood from what has been made

Naked assertions are the typical stance most believers in a supernatural deity take when expressing their rational. This bible quote epitomizes that tactic.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:40 am

Well, as frustrating as it might be, this is one of those arguments that gets us nowhere.

Why?

Because when we say, "We haven't seen it," christians come right back to say, "you would if you looked hard enough."

And the more we say it, the more they say it.

Of course, it is absurd, because atheists and christians order the "believe/see" thing in opposite ways. christians prefer to 'believe' first and then to 'see.' They argue that, in this case, one must 'believe' in order to 'see.'

Atheists, of course, are quite literally, more scientifically minded than this. We prefer to 'see' first and then to 'believe.'

Christians often cannot view this as valid, because they are so entrenched in the idea that one must believe to see, that they cannot quite concieve of the more empirical "seeing is believing" stance.
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The Learned Joined: Nov 30, 2004 Posts: 122

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Christians often cannot view this as valid, because they are so entrenched in the idea that one must believe to see, that they cannot quite concieve of the more empirical "seeing is believing" stance.

which is why it's so much more convenient to baptize children as infants (or "bless" and "commit" them) and rear them in the church from the get go. Doing that makes it so that they've never not (or can't remember) a time when they didn't believe in their god so to them, the Roman's verse is true.

That's why baptists baptisms are such B.S. they tell their "testimony" about how they are a poor miserable sinner but NOW they seen the light and have come to be dunked! -- never mind the fact that they've been in that church in Sunday school praying and worshipping since they were in diapers.

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

Well, the key phrase of the verse is, "...being understood from what has been made"; so, yes we've all seen it. As a result of having the privilege of living in a time where we have the Hubble telescope as well as the microscope we can see cells of life and distant galaxies. We see the wonder of His eternal power and creation. We also experience the invisible laws of nature, society, and morals that we all live by.

The problem is? People would rather explain God away than accept Him. That's the choice people make. However, just as it says there, they will be without excuse.

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:47 am

Missionary, your interpretation stems from the assertion that there was a maker named Yahweh as described in the Bible.

Sure is a shame that science has invalidated your Invisible Friend on so many points, huh?

You have to keep those gaps open or you'll have no place to put your God.

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:19 am

Missionary wrote:

Well, the key phrase of the verse is, "...being understood from what has been made"; so, yes we've all seen it. As a result of having the privilege of living in a time where we have the Hubble telescope as well as the microscope we can see cells of life and distant galaxies. We see the wonder of His eternal power and creation. We also experience the invisible laws of nature, society, and morals that we all live by.

The problem is? People would rather explain God away than accept Him. That's the choice people make. However, just as it says there, they will be without excuse.

We DO have an excuse. We do not know which god created it.
Without faith you got no evidence at all.

Some one ban this shit head before he does to IG what he did to AF.

Resident Joined: Aug 31, 2006 Posts: 315

Missionary wrote:

Well, the key phrase of the verse is, "...being understood from what has been made"; so, yes we've all seen it. As a result of having the privilege of living in a time where we have the Hubble telescope as well as the microscope we can see cells of life and distant galaxies. We see the wonder of His eternal power and creation. We also experience the invisible laws of nature, society, and morals that we all live by.

The problem is? People would rather explain God away than accept Him. That's the choice people make. However, just as it says there, they will be without excuse.

But which God would that be? Zeus? Thor?

I just happen to believe in one less god than you do.

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:33 am

Missionary wrote:

Well, the key phrase of the verse is, "...being understood from what has been made"; so, yes we've all seen it.

This presupposes that everything was "made" by a god to begin with. See, you haven't proven that. The only thing you do is point to a sunset and say, "It's pretty, therefore God made it." Or you point out the complexity of a plant cell and say, "It's complicated and we don't fully understand it, therefore Goddidit." Proof doesn't work that way.

jcgadfly wrote:

Missionary, your interpretation stems from the assertion that there was a maker named Yahweh as described in the Bible.

Sure is a shame that science has invalidated your Invisible Friend on so many points, huh?

You have to keep those gaps open or you'll have no place to put your God.

The Bible is very clear that Yahweh lived up in the sky. He came down to see the tower of Babel--down from where? Why, from atop that big, solid dome that spans the flat, round Earth, the dome to which all the stars and planets are affixed and above which is a big reservoir of rain water. Then the invention of air craft made it possible for people to see for themselves that there is nowhere in the sky for a god to live, and the invention of space craft shows us that he doesn't live on the moon, or Mars, or Venus, or on any other planet. The more we discover about the universe, the fewer gaps there are for God to fill up. Really, the only gap left is some ethereal alternate dimension, because that's the only place we can't yet travel to and see for ourselves that there is no god there, either.


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