"Let there be light"

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

kmisho wrote:

Missionary wrote:

kmisho wrote:

Again, quite honestly, I don't think the question of origins is very important. It's interesting, yes, but not important. We can do without ever knowing the answer. Do you think you have to know the answer?

Well, It's like I wrote in another thread. Everyone at some point asks themselves who am I? Where did I come from? What's my purpose? What will become of me?

It's certainly possible you are indifferent to such questions. I would expect to find that most are not. Hence the majority of the world is religious.

I am not indifferent. The question of ultimate origin (if there is any such thing) is interesting. But it's not really important, won't change anything, if we never know.

I disagree on the basis that it is part and parcel of God's homing beacon and drives us towards Him.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:56 am

Missionary wrote:

kmisho wrote:

Missionary wrote:

kmisho wrote:

Again, quite honestly, I don't think the question of origins is very important. It's interesting, yes, but not important. We can do without ever knowing the answer. Do you think you have to know the answer?

Well, It's like I wrote in another thread. Everyone at some point asks themselves who am I? Where did I come from? What's my purpose? What will become of me?

It's certainly possible you are indifferent to such questions. I would expect to find that most are not. Hence the majority of the world is religious.

I am not indifferent. The question of ultimate origin (if there is any such thing) is interesting. But it's not really important, won't change anything, if we never know.

I disagree on the basis that it is part and parcel of God's homing beacon and drives us towards Him.

Then why doesn't that asshole just suck us up into his uber-mothership and be done with it?

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

kmisho wrote:

Missionary wrote:

kmisho wrote:

Missionary wrote:

kmisho wrote:

Again, quite honestly, I don't think the question of origins is very important. It's interesting, yes, but not important. We can do without ever knowing the answer. Do you think you have to know the answer?

Well, It's like I wrote in another thread. Everyone at some point asks themselves who am I? Where did I come from? What's my purpose? What will become of me?

It's certainly possible you are indifferent to such questions. I would expect to find that most are not. Hence the majority of the world is religious.

I am not indifferent. The question of ultimate origin (if there is any such thing) is interesting. But it's not really important, won't change anything, if we never know.

I disagree on the basis that it is part and parcel of God's homing beacon and drives us towards Him.

Then why doesn't that asshole just suck us up into his uber-mothership and be done with it?

Maybe it's still your move.

Resident Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 372

Why does god want to play this sick game with us anyway? Why can't he just appear every once in a while and give the old thou-shalt-nots neminders? And I don't mean in the cryptic 'the lord works in mysterious ways' appearance. I mean the Holy Grail comming through a hole in a cloud appearance.

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

Cygnus wrote:

Why does god want to play this sick game with us anyway? Why can't he just appear every once in a while and give the old thou-shalt-nots neminders? And I don't mean in the cryptic 'the lord works in mysterious ways' appearance. I mean the Holy Grail comming through a hole in a cloud appearance.

All I know is? Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice..." I know he's calling everyone. The trouble is hearing and answering.

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:46 am

Missionary wrote:

Maybe it's still your move.

The ball is in his court. ALL the balls are in his court. It's time for him to put up or shut up, to help out or leave us alone.

Newbie Joined: May 30, 2008 Posts: 10

Missionary wrote:

Cygnus wrote:

Why does god want to play this sick game with us anyway? Why can't he just appear every once in a while and give the old thou-shalt-nots neminders? And I don't mean in the cryptic 'the lord works in mysterious ways' appearance. I mean the Holy Grail comming through a hole in a cloud appearance.

All I know is? Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice..." I know he's calling everyone. The trouble is hearing and answering.

If he's god there should be NO TROUBLE at all hearing his voice. I mean he is GOD for GOD'S SAKE!!!! Why must we embrace all these supersticions and weak ideas instead of just allowing ourselves to conclude that he's probably not there to begin with. If your pnone wasn't ringing you'd be completely in your right to believe that no one was calling you!

Resident Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 372

Missionary wrote:

Cygnus wrote:

Why does god want to play this sick game with us anyway? Why can't he just appear every once in a while and give the old thou-shalt-nots neminders? And I don't mean in the cryptic 'the lord works in mysterious ways' appearance. I mean the Holy Grail comming through a hole in a cloud appearance.

All I know is? Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice..." I know he's calling everyone. The trouble is hearing and answering.

If god is calling in such a soft voice that not everyone hears him effectively, then is this a really competent god? Why would there be problems with hearing? He's god, why can't he make himself heard?

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:50 am

Cygnus wrote:

He's god, why can't he make himself heard?

Because this god can only be found in Missionary’s head, and those like him. This god is a psychosis and the bible is its result.

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

You HAVE heard His voice. Just like you hear your own voice, the stored voices of people who have impacted your life, as well as spoken voices and environmental sounds that you are constantly identifying, translating, and commenting on. Like the running commentary that never ends of you expressing thoughts, opinions, likes, and dislikes on everything you see, hear, and do.

Consider moral dilemmas where you're forced to choose between right and wrong, will I get caught or get away with it? Should I or shouldn't I? Ever argued with yourself? What about the thoughts you don't want to think about? Why won't some of those go away and how do you control them? Old hurts and scars? Grudges? Ever get an idea or thought that seemingly came from nowhere?

You may be hearing more voices than you're willing to admit.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:37 am

Missionary wrote:

You HAVE heard His voice. Just like you hear your own voice, the stored voices of people who have impacted your life, as well as spoken voices and environmental sounds that you are constantly identifying, translating, and commenting on. Like the running commentary that never ends of you expressing thoughts, opinions, likes, and dislikes on everything you see, hear, and do.

Consider moral dilemmas where you're forced to choose between right and wrong, will I get caught or get away with it? Should I or shouldn't I? Ever argued with yourself? What about the thoughts you don't want to think about? Why won't some of those go away and how do you control them? Old hurts and scars? Grudges? Ever get an idea or thought that seemingly came from nowhere?

You may be hearing more voices than you're willing to admit.

And you wonder why I use the term "religious whackos"...

Grand Poster Joined: Oct 24, 2005 Posts: 2505

Don't you ever think about that the fact that there's been thousands of religions, all most all of which claim to hear their god? I mean I would hope that thought at least somewhat pops up when you're trying to prove god with your feelings and whatever is going on in your head.

Master of Logic Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 9362

Missionary wrote:

You HAVE heard His voice. Just like you hear your own voice, the stored voices of people who have impacted your life, as well as spoken voices and environmental sounds that you are constantly identifying, translating, and commenting on. Like the running commentary that never ends of you expressing thoughts, opinions, likes, and dislikes on everything you see, hear, and do.

Consider moral dilemmas where you're forced to choose between right and wrong, will I get caught or get away with it? Should I or shouldn't I? Ever argued with yourself? What about the thoughts you don't want to think about? Why won't some of those go away and how do you control them? Old hurts and scars? Grudges? Ever get an idea or thought that seemingly came from nowhere?

You may be hearing more voices than you're willing to admit.

"You have heard Allah's voice, in everything you do"
"You have heard Yahwey's voice, in everything you do"
"You have heard Buddha's voice, in everything you do"
"You have heard Vishnu's voice, in everything you do"

Again, you, like any other god believer of any religion fail to ask yourself one critical question. You really don't need to be here trying to convince us. You can stay and try if you wish, but many here have been where you are at and know exactly what you are "feeling".

You fail to ask yourself, "Is this something I can prove, or merely something I like believing because it makes me feel good".

Your "intense" feelings are not evidence.
Tradition is not evidence.
Popularity is not evidence.
Holy books of any religion are not evidence. They are self serving and circular |"My deity is real because my book says so". Your holy book is not the only one out there.

What does make sense is that humans are capable of believing false things. |Humans are capable of lying and selling those lies as fact, willingly or unwittingly. Humans are capable of making fantastic claims.

For over 3 thousand years the Ancient Egyptians believed that the sun was a thinking god that cared about their wealfare. We now know the absurdity of such a claim. If humans back then could falsely believe in such a claim, and be fervent their belief, what makes you think any modern human today is immune to the same flaw?

It is all in your head, nothing more. You are mistaking your natural human phycology for an actual being existing. That thought of a god, existing, is nothing more than an emotional placebo that you bought because you "feel" it brings you comfort.

False beliefs can bring one comfort AND STILL BE FALSE. Just as belief in the sun being a god was a false belief that the Egyptians found comfort in.

Resident Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 372

Missionary wrote:

You HAVE heard His voice. Just like you hear your own voice, the stored voices of people who have impacted your life, as well as spoken voices and environmental sounds that you are constantly identifying, translating, and commenting on. Like the running commentary that never ends of you expressing thoughts, opinions, likes, and dislikes on everything you see, hear, and do.

Consider moral dilemmas where you're forced to choose between right and wrong, will I get caught or get away with it? Should I or shouldn't I? Ever argued with yourself? What about the thoughts you don't want to think about? Why won't some of those go away and how do you control them? Old hurts and scars? Grudges? Ever get an idea or thought that seemingly came from nowhere?

You may be hearing more voices than you're willing to admit.

Well yes, I HAVE argued with myself over moral decisions. All those things don't seemingly come from nowhere. They come from the human brain, a complex organ capable of different moral codes, reasoning applied to learned morals, and a very wide range of emotional responses. To attribute any decision of good by the individual to god and any decision of evil to satan robs the person of his sense of self and individuality. And what is right and wrong? Did it ever occur to you that people in every culture make these moral decisions but with different moral codes? You or I would have trouble killing someone because of religious or moral grounds, but other people in different cultures have a far easier time for these very same reasons.

When a man talks to god it's called prayer. When god talks to a man it's called schitzophrenia.

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:26 am

celedhel wrote:

If your pnone wasn't ringing you'd be completely in your right to believe that no one was calling you!

Right. It's really no more complicated than this.


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