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Saitou
Master of Logic
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Missionary
The Learned
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Teredona
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Joined: May 02, 2008
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I'm reading through the stuff (part A) on the site you posted and most of whats posted is bad science on their part.
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| The Problem of Cosmology |
That was a dead giveaway. Evolution only deals with biology nothing else. |
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Cygnus
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The cosmology section totally ignored dark matter anyway.
The article made some of the same tired, debunked arguments like the probablility one. Then there was the mousetrap one. And then there was the complete lie that 99.99% of all mutations are bad. They forgot that gene that makes people immune to AIDS when they said 'about the only good mutation is sickle cell anemia'. Actually, most mutations don't do anything. They also forgot those endogenous retroviruses. |
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Uncertainty
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That faith site isn't very good I could only stomach a few of the bad arguments. Of course modern bacteria and cells seem complex, they're modern. I mean it's so obvious that I'm not sure why they would even use that as an argument. It's the same reason why everything else seems complex.
Also there isn't a growing uneasiness about evolution in the scientific community. Evolution is considered one of the most successful and proven scientific theories, and many scientific disciplines would be very confused about their observations if they didn't have evolution to explain them. |
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Cygnus
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| I mean it's so obvious that I'm not sure why they would even use that as an argument. |
They're not trying to convince the scientists who already know this is a load of crap. They're really using it to appeal to the faithful; to keep their sheep on the path. It wouldn't stand up for a minute in a debate against a professional in the field. |
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Uncertainty
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I'm not a scientist though, I'm just a guy who knows what modern means. |
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Cygnus
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| I'm not a scientist though, I'm just a guy who knows what modern means. |
Me Neither. However, this argument is effective on those in the population who are religious and can't really think scientifically. This is how the 'intelligent design' creationists are pushing ID in American schools. The fact that this is really a movement to push religion and NOT science is a fact that needs to be put out there to the general public. |
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Sweet_Savoury_Sacrifice
Just Arrived
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| Only this site contains Darwin's complete publications, 20,000 private papers, the largest Darwin bibliography and manuscript catalogue and hundreds of supplementary works: specimens, biographies, obituaries, reviews, reference works and much more. |
*Nerdgasm*
I stopped reading the faith site right in the introduction.
I remember when I first dug into all I could find about evolution back in 2004. New to the info I saw a tactic used by creationists that evolution was a theory "on the run".
And articles talking about this "debate" going back all the way to the 80's(or maybe even the 70's) where creationists would talk about how evolution was a theory "on the run".
I wonder if, in 20 years, I will still be reading these creationsist websites and their lead in to similiar articles will still be that recent findings are raising big doubts about Darwinian evolution that could be completely overturned very....very soon!
But yeah, thanks for the link. I just started reading On Origins a week ago, and I may have to read some of his other stuff afterwards. |
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