Hate Is The New Religion

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

A new Ecclesiasty has formed with the fervor of nationalism and the zealotry of a cult. The movement fosters an environment of intolerance, animosity, and hatred that is often stirred up among atheists toward anything remotely resembling the religious. The evangelists of this new dogma are intent upon spreading their doctrines of delusion and warnings of imminent danger in rallying the troops for confrontation. Dawkins, Harris, and Dennett are the newest undivinely inspired authors of the atheist's gospel.

While a rational indifferent non-believer can be found living their lives without so much as a thought for the faithful, we find in reality that the vast majority of new atheists are becoming passionate active agents of an aggressively virulent campaign to destroy religion entirely with Christianity being their primary focus. It has moved most noticeably beyond a mere intellectual debate of scholarly dispute and taken on an entirely emotional tone of urgency inciting the need of immediate and combative action.

The behavior exhibited by many of these New Atheists is far beneath the civility and social interaction they claim to uphold. Logic and reason are abandoned for insult and ridicule while elitism of intelligentsia is flown as a banner over emotional outbursts and tantrums. While this psychology may win friends from among the non-faithful, it hardly encourages or promotes free thought, higher education, or a change from the status quo of societal anarchy and armed revolt. The stirring words of bitterness and contempt are fanning a flame that can only lead to the formation of a monster whose appetite for their nonconformist targets will not be satisfied until blood is shed.

This march is a disaster in the making for mankind and if history is any guide then the appeal to reason should be made to the atheist to not allow a repeat of Hitler's Holocaust or Mao's Cultural Revolution.

The question really is, are you a part of the problem or the solution?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:33 am

So you believe that Harris is spreading hate? Wow!!

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

infidelguy wrote:

So you believe that Harris is spreading hate? Wow!!

Isn't he?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:28 am

No.. nothing he said has ever generated a sense of hate in me for any group. Most atheists I know after de-converting from their faith often become more understanding and less intolerant. Perhaps you have been hanging out with too many 11 year old goth atheist kids that hate mommy and daddy in yahoo chats?

I think I'll record a youtube video responding to this crapola.

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

infidelguy wrote:

No.. nothing he said has ever generated a sense of hate in me for any group. Most atheists I know after de-converting from their faith often become more understanding and less intolerant. Perhaps you have been hanging out with too many 11 year old goth atheist kids that hate mommy and daddy in yahoo chats?

I think I'll record a youtube video responding to this crapola.

You may represent the few and I may as well. If so, we may have much to discuss. However, for Harris his ideology is far from indifferent non-belief.

Science Must Destroy Religion

Certainly he undermines tolerance and dialog with "While religious tolerance is surely better than religious war, tolerance is not without its liabilities ";

asserts that faith represents "travesties that still crowd the altar of human ignorance";

nakedly asserts that "Faith is nothing more than the license that religious people give one another to believe such propositions when reasons fail.";

declares that "Religion is fast growing incompatible with the emergence of a global, civil society";

Again makes naked assertions that religions "continue to impede medical research and distort public policy";

illicits fear, "The possibility that we could elect a U.S. President who takes biblical prophesy seriously is real and terrifying; the likelihood that we will one day confront Islamists armed with nuclear or biological weapons is also terrifying, and it is increasing by the day.";

suggests action while disparaging faith as "fantasies" "most scientists are keeping silent when they should be blasting the hideous fantasies of a prior age with all the facts at their disposal";

suggests it's a war, "To win this war of ideas...";

declares that parents of faith are committing a ludicrous obscenity in concert with Dawkins' assertion that ir is child abuse "Only then will the practice of raising our children to believe that they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Hindu be broadly recognized as the ludicrous obscenity that it is.";

and finally leaves the reader shuddering in fear of this lurking danger "And only then will we stand a chance of healing the deepest and most dangerous fractures in our world."

I particularly note how he places the oppressed atheist as a victim surrounded stating that together atheists could possibly "stand a chance" in their battle to do the service and good will towards humanity of "healing the deepest and most dangerous fractures in our world".

Atheism is the new Savior? That's some religion there. It's hate and intolerance. It's a call to action. And yes, the Columbine kids are seizing this opportunity as their own personal Helter Skelter.

That's just one article.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:14 am

Dude.. I still don't know where hate is coming into play. Projection?

Newbie First Class Joined: May 02, 2008 Posts: 30

Are you sure that you're not quote mining, Missionary?

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

I suppose he could be conveying his affection metaphorically or it could be a limerick; but then again, there's no rhyme or reason.

Newbie First Class Joined: Mar 29, 2008 Posts: 48

If you've been following the news throughout the world, you've noticed a steady increase in the number woman being killed for witchcraft. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kenya and other African nations have been witness to this growing trend. I’ve heard evangelicals from the USA talk about the threat posed by witches/warlocks and other agents of satan (Harry Potter is often considered a recruiting tool for satan’s army); however I haven’t heard of any attacks on suspected witches here or in any “western” nation. Anyway…I’m just frightened by the prospect that intellectually our speciec may actually be devolving back towards a medievial level. Then again, I’ve always been a pessimist when it comes to our species. BTW...thanks religion for all of the love.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 550

Quote:

nakedly asserts that "Faith is nothing more than the license that religious people give one another to believe such propositions when reasons fail.";

But that's exactly what faith is. Looking back on when I still had faith, I realise now that faith is delusion.

Quote:

Again makes naked assertions that religions "continue to impede medical research and distort public policy";

'Naked assertion', eh? How about stem cells? Opposition to gay marriage? Teaching of one religion's creation dogma in schools?

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

Cygnus wrote:

Quote:

nakedly asserts that "Faith is nothing more than the license that religious people give one another to believe such propositions when reasons fail.";

But that's exactly what faith is. Looking back on when I still had faith, I realise now that faith is delusion.

Quote:

Again makes naked assertions that religions "continue to impede medical research and distort public policy";

'Naked assertion', eh? How about stem cells? Opposition to gay marriage? Teaching of one religion's creation dogma in schools?

Mr. Harris is not acquainted with faith or He would know that reason is involved. As for your naked assertion reply, you assume what?

Newbie First Class Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 30

Missionary wrote:

Cygnus wrote:

Quote:

nakedly asserts that "Faith is nothing more than the license that religious people give one another to believe such propositions when reasons fail.";

But that's exactly what faith is. Looking back on when I still had faith, I realise now that faith is delusion.

Quote:

Again makes naked assertions that religions "continue to impede medical research and distort public policy";

'Naked assertion', eh? How about stem cells? Opposition to gay marriage? Teaching of one religion's creation dogma in schools?

Mr. Harris is not acquainted with faith or He would know that reason is involved. As for your naked assertion reply, you assume what?

I don't think you could convince any truly rational adult who followed that Freewill thread that there was much reason involved in faith. And anyone who has ever listened to a sermon by a young earth creationist would definitely question whether there was much reason involved in faith. Most of the faithful that I have known, and that is 99.9% of the people I know, believe simply because their parents did and that's how they were raised. No reason neccessary.

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. The religion of Christianity is just as false as any other. What born again followers of Christ have experienced in their relationship with God is entirely different. At that point, the bible is secondary to faith as opposed to primary.

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:47 pm

The fact is, there is no INDEPENDENT way to arrive at christianity. It is entirely passed down. If it were not passed down it would vanish. That is, you can't figure out christianity by experience. You have to be taught it.

The Learned Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 128

kmisho wrote:

The fact is, there is no INDEPENDENT way to arrive at christianity. It is entirely passed down. If it were not passed down it would vanish. That is, you can't figure out christianity by experience. You have to be taught it.

Who taught Paul? Abraham? Moses? David?

You're free to deny the existence of God or that He interacts with people as you have not experienced it first hand. Your absence of evidence is not confirmation of any universally concrete conclusion. It's simply your lack of observation. The independent verification for any individual is their personal interaction which is initiated by God. The scriptures then become secondary to that relationship. What is "passed down" is the religion aspect which is about as good for nothing as any other religion. A person could memorize the entire bible word for word and still remain spiritually lost if they don't know God.


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