[quote="Jason_Harvestdancer"]Yes, you are a victim.
You are saying "oh woe is me, when I go to choose between a Republican and a Democrat I am subjected to seeing a cross on the way to the polling place. I am discriminated against."[/qoute]
IT IS NOT BEING SUBJECT TO SEEING A CROSS, damn, WILL YOU GET OFF THAT BULLCRAP!
I see crosses on private property on the sides of public roads ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, and that is where religion belongs, in the private sector. A VOTING is a government sector issue and as a voter I do not want a house of worship of any kind of any religion being used as a polling place.
PROVE IT, offer up an atheist building as a polling place and see how far you get!
Being discriminated against and RECOGIZING IT is not being a victim!
That is a stupid argument.
That is like saying gay people arnt being discriminated against, they can get married too. Name me one gay person that is going to want to marry the oposite sex?
If a Christian does not want to walk into a Mosque to vote then they need to refrain, themselves from putting polling places in Churches, otherwise they are discriminating against others and volating the Constitution in the process. The Constitution is a template law that applies to everyone. The easyist way to test if something is constitutional or not is to see if all citizens are capable of doing the same thing. Any government entity not allowing a citizen to do the same thing is violating the Constitution
I dont want to walk into a Church to vote anymore than a Christian would want to walk into a Mosque to vote. The Muslims who did that were discriminating against non-Muslims. No Christian who lived in that district wanted to be subject to walking into that Mosque to vote, AND I AGREE WITH THEM.
CASE AND POINT, and I think you have an issue understanding private sector vs government sector.
Some leftwing nutjobs in LA demanded, tried to demand, that a HUGE banner on the side of a skyscraper(PRIVATELY OWNED) said, "God Bless America". I might dissagree with the message of the banner, but the fact that it could be seen from public streets did not change the fact that it was a private building, therefore perfectly Constitutional.
THAT IS DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS AND GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS,
Voting is NOT a private insitution, it is a government insitution and theirfore the voting setting should be neutral, meaning the settings should be neutral.
|You are trying to make me out as some person who would bitch about driving down the road and looking at a cross on private property. Seeing a cross on private property from a public road(DOES NOT OFFEND ME, FROM A CONSTITUTIONAL STANDPOINT, THAT IS LEGAL)
But when you put a polling place INSIDE THAT CHURCH you are allowing government to intangle itself into playing favorites to religion, specifically Christianity, otherwise these same people would NOT bitch when others do the same thing.
see crosses on private property on the sides of public roads ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, and that is where religion belongs, in the private sector. A VOTING is a government sector issue and as a voter I do not want a house of worship of any kind of any religion being used as a polling place.
I really have to agree, once again, with Jason harvestancer on this one.
The irony, Brian, is that you frequently talk about the virtue of not being PC and how, sometimes, abrasiveness is necessary, even if it means offending.
But then you are turning around and being every bit as squeamish as you accuse me of being by suggesting that you are discriminated against by having to vote at a place with a cross on its property!
And if you study the history, there have been several cases where things like the Ten Commandments have been taken off of city property, rightly so! The argument was, in part, that people of different faiths would not see a courthouse with the ten commandments on the door as one in which they would have a change at equal justice.
This case is WHOLLY different! I really doubt that by seeing a cross at your polling place that you realistically thought that the government was rigging something and that your vote would count less than a Christians. And if you did, then you are simply one of the many atheists who are so scared about the 'fundie next door' that you end up inventing him everyhwere he is not.
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PROVE IT, offer up an atheist building as a polling place and see how far you get!
Is there an "atheist building"? I dildn't realize that we were a religion.
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Being discriminated against and RECOGIZING IT is not being a victim!
I think Jason and I are saying that you are so sensitive to any whiff of possible discriminations that you are ending up inventing some that aren't actually there.
This is just as the same as a hyochondriac who might argue that "having something wrong with you and recognizing it isn't oversensitivity!"
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That is like saying gay people arnt being discriminated against, they can get married too. Name me one gay person that is going to want to marry the oposite sex?
It is actually quite, quite, quite different (and your equivocation of these two matters shows to me how oversensitive you are.)
In their case, the government is literally restricting their freedom to do something based wholly on who they are.
That is discrimination.
In our case, no one is telling us that we cannot do a particular thing, or keeping us from doing something (voting). Nor are they even making it unduly hard for us to do that thing.
The only thing that government is doing in our case is allowing a church to perform a public service.
So, I am not sure how you are suggesting that our situation is similar to gays not being allowed to marry.
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If a Christian does not want to walk into a Mosque to vote then they need to refrain, themselves from putting polling places in Churches, otherwise they are discriminating against others and volating the Constitution in the process.
So, if I as a libertarian, say, did not want to walk into a public school to vote, would my government have violated my due process rights by setting up a polling place in a public school?
Just because someone might not want to go to their precinct station does not, per se, mean that their due process rights are violated.
Besides, if they really wanted to, they could vote by absentee ballot.
(And let's see how many complaints besides yours the county gets for putting the polling place in a church. I wonder how many Muslims are going to write about how their rights were violated by stepping into a church. My guess? Not many, or any.)
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But when you put a polling place INSIDE THAT CHURCH you are allowing government to intangle itself into playing favorites to religion, specifically Christianity, otherwise these same people would NOT bitch when others do the same thing.
What do you mean, when others do the same thing? Which others have done the same thing? The only examples I saw which you gave were hypothetical.
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