An Anarchist Revolution Or Nothing

Confident Learner Joined: Jun 15, 2005 Posts: 76

THE SILENT VOLCANO

This is an open scenario – the year 2008 – the coming anarchic revolt – anti-capitalist, anti-state, anti-class and the deteriorating condition of humanity.

Capitalism is war of all against all, killing the world and everything on it for sheer profits and megalomania.

The situation of anarchists today and the many anarchic brands they belong to.

The end of the concept of organization starts now.

The fashionable noble prize winning game theory is short lived.

The anarchist theory is for all.

The ending of capital is on the horizon.

The internet user/surfer, his mentality and how his mind operates.

The majority are not anarchists.

Class analysis - class consciousness - class struggle – anarchic liberation.

There is more revolutionary anarchists today.

The future of humanity is anarchy.

Christian capitalism - Muslim capitalism - Jewish capitalism - Buddhist capitalism - Communist capitalism - Atheist capitalism.

The fascist role of the USA and Israel in modern times in the new image of imperialist capitalism.

Anti–capitalist Anti-state Anarchism

Capitalism must go; it must be destroyed before it destroys us. Most people on earth suffer terribly daily from this capitalist system. The industrial revolution and then the technological revolution made it possible for capitalism to totally dominate the whole planet and its populace.

Contemporary capitalism has invaded every aspect of everyone’s life. To achieve freedom by the people, capitalism and the state and religions must go and be terminated and replaced instantly with an anarchic society free of authority.

We don’t need few billionaires whilst billions of individuals are hungry and billions enslaved. We don’t need billionaires and more millionaires when 98% of the world’s population lives below poverty level, the majority suffer in their daily hardship. The next stage these billionaires turn into zillionaires and we will suffer even more becoming more exploited and further impoverished.

The capitalist system is designed for one purpose only – to allow the few get everything and the rest to get nothing but hardship and suffering and bear existence. Capitalism makes sure that the rich will always get richer and you remain the servant of their prosperity i.e., the wealth that is made upon your shoulder. Whilst they get richer we get instead more oppression, more poverty and mass intimidation.

Classes must fall and be dismantled and replaced by equality and real freedom for all. Therefore by destroying capitalism and the state we destroy the enemy number one of life and of humanity. By ending capitalism we free humanity and liberate the whole people of the world, so that they can continue living free of torture and pain, without wars and without ever being exploited again.

Capitalism is reaching its own natural end, its dying on its anarcho-revolutionary death bed awaiting its final breath on the eve of the anarcho-social revolution. For the first time in human history the objective conditions are ripe and ready for the abolition of capitalism and its state. Capitalism will become a thing of the past, despised and forgotten.

We don’t need a money system in a class society run by capital and the state, because we see what it does to us and to the rest of humanity, we experience daily the ferocious effects of a system that is based on money, value, and the private ownership of the social means of production, i.e., robbing the people and then selling them back the loot. We can see what the western civilization has done to nature and to humanity everywhere now it is also polluting the outer space.

How can anyone live in a world where there are few billionaires and billions of starving people? War and poverty is the health of the state and capitalism. Capitalism is a permanent war launched for profit on the people everywhere. People everywhere are daily sacrificed for capital’s lust and imperial greed. Millions upon millions die every year unnecessarily.

Volcanic Eruption

A social revolution is in the making, the conscious anarchist is there already navigating the objective development discretely from below and orientating the anarcho-revolutionary process to its natural restart.
You cannot be free and happy in a terribly alienated society; you cannot be creative in an alienated world nor know how to live in a monotonous capital’s consumption mechanism. You will not be able to experience the real meaning of existence and living without negating the dialectics of capital and the state.

Be ready for the first anarchic revolution – Its coming your way – Take part in a world of liberation and mutual happiness.

The Way is Anarchy – the Solution is Equity

Spartacus Anarchus

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:31 am

spartacus wrote:

To achieve freedom by the people, capitalism and the state and religions must go and be terminated and replaced instantly with an anarchic society free of authority.

While I have no fondness for capitalism (more accurately, any system of economics using capital as an exchange mechanism), I'm interested how this anarchistic system will encourage greater human cooperation to bring about a "better" social environment?

Capitalism seems to rely heavily on competition and compartmentalized cooperation to produce what it does. Any system that could mostly strip the competition element and maximize the cooperation element would hypothetically be more efficient. What bothers me most about our current economic systems is the ludicrous waist inherently built into the systems.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:59 pm

"Any system that could mostly strip the competition element and maximize the cooperation element would hypothetically be more efficient."

parecon.org

- John

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:47 am

Actually, I don't see how anarchy could be considered anything other than a different kind of government. If people band together to get rid of government, they have become the government by virtue of having (or seizing) the authority to eliminate government. And if they gain this authority by seizure, they have not only become a government. They have become a totalitarian one.

Also if the state is torn down, I don't see how this does anything but turn each person into his own state. If 1 state is bad, how can 6 billion be good?

Anarchy looks inherently contradictory to me.

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:39 am

Oh not this no-talent assclown again.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:05 am

Crackpot.

If we were going to have anarchy, I'd much prefer this guy's idea over a capitalistic one. Archo-capitalism has to be one of the worst ideas in history.

Grand Poster Joined: Apr 22, 2005 Posts: 1034

spartacus wrote:

The Way is Anarchy – the Solution is Equity

An equity which by definition means the lowest common denominator.

No thanks.

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:23 am

Stuz719 wrote:

spartacus wrote:

The Way is Anarchy – the Solution is Equity

An equity which by definition means the lowest common denominator.

No thanks.

Exactly. I have accused anarchists before of "aiming low."

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:24 am

Spartacus said:

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The ending of capital is on the horizon.

I don't think it will be the end, only another transformation. Capitalism is bankrupt at this point I admit, and it cannot function successfully to my mind because there aren't enough honest people in the country to make it work.

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The future of humanity is anarchy.

Perhaps for the immediate future, but people really can't tolerate anarchy for long. At least they haven't in the past. My vision of anarchy is complete chaos where no one is happy, only fearful.

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The capitalist system is designed for one purpose only – to allow the few get everything and the rest to get nothing but hardship and suffering and bear existence.

Too much to be said about this, but notice that there are two kinds of people in the world: Those who spend today that which they will earn tomorrow, and those who spend tomorrow that which they earn today. Debt will always arise to support the former, and society goes nowhere without those with capital to invest. There is evidence to support your contentions about the current demise of capitalism, but anarchy is even more destructive and unappealing to my mind. Sounds too much like subsistence living.

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Capitalism will become a thing of the past, despised and forgotten.

I doubt it. Certainly not forgotten, it will rise again like the Phoenix because that is our human nature. Despite it's shortcomings it appears to benefit the majority of the people until the crooks screw it up:

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"Civilizations grow because they have an 'instrument of expansion', that is, a military, religious, political or economic organization that accumulates surplus and invests it in productive innovations. Civilizations decline when they stop the 'application of surplus to new ways of doing things. In modern terms we say that the rate of investment decreases.' This happens because the social groups controlling the surplus have a vested interest in using it for 'nonproductive but ego-satisfying purposes ... which distribute the surpluses to consumption but do not provide more effective methods of production.' People live off the capital and the civilization moves from the stage of the universal state to the stage of decay. This is a period of 'acute depression, declining standards of living, civil wars between the various vested interests, and growing illiteracy. The society grows weaker and weaker. Vain efforts are made to stop the wastage by legislation. But the decline continues. The religious, intellectual, social, and political levels of the society began to lose the allegiance of the masses of the people on a large scale. New religious movements begin to sweep over the society. There is a growing reluctance to fight for the society or even support it by paying taxes.' - Carroll Quigley, 1961 (from Huntington, 'Clash of Civilizations)

Why is anarchy so appealing to you?

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:13 pm

jfitz wrote:

"Any system that could mostly strip the competition element and maximize the cooperation element would hypothetically be more efficient."

parecon.org

- John

parecon.org wrote:

remuneration according to effort and sacrifice

I’m afraid that any system, which depends on this reciprocal component, will in the end be doomed to the same inherent flaws of any capitalistic model. I didn’t take time to delve deeper into this economic ideology (parecon), perhaps I’ll take time later.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:32 pm

corynski wrote:

I doubt it. Certainly not forgotten, it will rise again like the Phoenix because that is our human nature. Despite it's shortcomings it appears to benefit the majority of the people until the crooks screw it up:

I think most people find capitalism desirable because it strongly appeals to our reciprocal nature. I won't argue that this reciprocal nature is necessarily beneficial for our long term survival. It seems likely that we’ll reach a tipping point, either slowly or quickly, where seeking balances according to acts will no longer be seen as socially beneficial and necessary.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:04 am

Hello MG

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parecon.org wrote:
remuneration according to effort and sacrifice

I’m afraid that any system, which depends on this reciprocal component, will in the end be doomed to the same inherent flaws of any capitalistic model.

Interesting looking site. But I'm curious why you are afraid that 'any' system depending upon 'remuneration according to effort and sacrifice' is doomed. What do you perceive are the 'inherent flaws' of a capitalistic system?

The free market place, the invisable hand, seems to me to be the only reasonable way to set the price of goods and interest rates. I remember reading about Stalin's disasterous attempts to allocate resources according to his 'experts', and I can't think of any socialistic system that could work in practice. Russia deteriorated eventually to 'we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us.' People became demoralized when they could see no results from their efforts. And Stalin finished by starving a good proportion of his people in an attempt to reach a 'greater good'.

I think capitalism gets a bad rap because of excessive graft and corruption, which to my mind seems endemic to humans in any economic paradigm. Some people will always steal and cheat since morality cannot be legislated, but laws can be enforced if the citizens are educated. If citizens don't understand banking and money they are doomed.

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"Money is the most important subject intellectual persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it is widely understood and its defects remedied very soon." -- Robert H. Hemphill, former credit manager, Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

The US failure to manage corruption began with A Lincoln, a corporate lawyer who sold out to the big banks and railroad magnates in an effort to promote a 'larger union'. Had we followed Jackson, and States Rights, and kept the bankers throttled, we could have done better I think. Here's W Wilson and F D Roosevelt:

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Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A few years later he wrote: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

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"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know,that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson - and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W.W.(Woodrow Wilson). The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States - only on a far bigger and broader basis." -- President Franklin D. Roosevelt, 11/21/33

But instead, Roosevelt, and his bankers, chose inflation and bigger government. Now 75 years later, we are experiencing trillions of dollars of debt and a collapsing dollar. Zeus have mercy on us......

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:29 am

corynski,
I thought you made an excellent point with this:

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Capitalism is bankrupt at this point I admit, and it cannot function successfully to my mind because there aren't enough honest people in the country to make it work.

I agree entirely. But I have used this point to make another point. Just about any system built on fairness will work if the participants are honest. I count both socialism and capitalism as fair.

I am an advocate of a little bit of both at the same time, to reap the advantages of both and offset the worst excesses of each other.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:45 pm

Kmisho said:

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I am an advocate of a little bit of both at the same time,

True, I like to pick the parts from different systems and imagine if they could fit together. And I try to imagine what it would be like to have billons of dollars, and wonder how resistant I would be to corruption and the high life. Think of the temptations.

I think social contract like the Romans started, some free market for innovations and incentive to produce, and a socialistic structure of laws and programs. It's tough to imagine how to get the most freedom for everyone, and still keep greed and violence to a minimum. I think Jefferson and some of the other Founding Fathers were well aware of economic abuse through paper money and graft and favoritism.

We'll see what comes out of this latest economic convulsion; the poverty of the 20's brought out Hitler and Mussolini and Stalin, and throw in Franco too. Good grief.....


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