christians are crazy

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:58 pm

I am so mad right now I can't even see straight. I just got done with a three hour argument with my ex girlfriend who is a Christian.

She did nothing but tell me how stupid and blind I was! What the fuck? Are you kidding me. She said I sound like I've been brain washed into thinking the way I do, and how dare I ask questions about god. I could not believe what I was hearing from her.

So now shes said that she is cutting me out of her life because shes afraid the way I think will rub off on her and take her away from god.

Umm suggestions?

Newbie First Class Joined: Dec 21, 2005 Posts: 44

Giday Jason,
I've been in the same sort of situation but it has never been a girlfriend.
Don't ya just love their trust in their belief in their god?

There is not very much trust in it, is there?

The unbeliever has got the power and the believer sits shaking in the corner, scared we will infect them.
Now there is Faith in action, ain't it?

All it tells me is that they've got nothing because it can get blown away with one question.
How dare you Jason, How dare you use your mind and not believe in things because of a well presented sales pitch.

They don't like to think, they love to be told what to think.

I would ask her about the Lord's Prayer, where it says, "fovgive us tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us".

How does the Christian god forgive us?

A smashed bloody animal or a torchered human body seems to really, flick it's switch of forgiveness.

Ask her how she forgives people and does she need to splatter her pets blood over the person she forgives or does she just forgive them.

If she says she would just forgives them and questions the need to kill her pet and spread it's blood around.

I would say to her, then she is greater than her god because she can forgive without the need of blood being spilt.

Their god can;t forgive without blood.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.

Bollocks!

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:24 am

Very well said Powerup!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:53 am

Heh, talk about projecting.

Tell her that the truth is the truth and if she is confident in her beliefs she has nothing to worry about.

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:10 am

powerup wrote:

Giday Jason,
I've been in the same sort of situation but it has never been a girlfriend.
Don't ya just love their trust in their belief in their god?

There is not very much trust in it, is there?

The unbeliever has got the power and the believer sits shaking in the corner, scared we will infect them.
Now there is Faith in action, ain't it?

All it tells me is that they've got nothing because it can get blown away with one question.
How dare you Jason, How dare you use your mind and not believe in things because of a well presented sales pitch.

They don't like to think, they love to be told what to think.

I would ask her about the Lord's Prayer, where it says, "fovgive us tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us".

How does the Christian god forgive us?

A smashed bloody animal or a torchered human body seems to really, flick it's switch of forgiveness.

Ask her how she forgives people and does she need to splatter her pets blood over the person she forgives or does she just forgive them.

If she says she would just forgives them and questions the need to kill her pet and spread it's blood around.

I would say to her, then she is greater than her god because she can forgive without the need of blood being spilt.

Their god can;t forgive without blood.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.

Bollocks!

*now has mental picture of mother splattering her with cat's blood after saying "I forgive you three times"* Shocked

I never thought about it that way when I was a believer(the whole having to sacrifice things because jesus died and was the sacrifice and it goes on) I was taught to just forgive or GOD WILL SMITE YOU(sorry for the caps guys).

Which begs the question...if God forgave us of all of our sins because of christs's death...

then why the hell did we have to repent in the first place?!

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:20 pm

Good question! The Cat'licks believe that Mary was forgivien for her "original sin" so Jesus could be born of a sinless woman. So why can't God just forgive us without all the hoop-jumping?

Oh, yeah, the Church'd be broke if he did that!

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:44 am

jasons99 wrote:

I am so mad right now I can't even see straight. I just got done with a three hour argument with my ex girlfriend who is a Christian.

She did nothing but tell me how stupid and blind I was! What the fuck? Are you kidding me. She said I sound like I've been brain washed into thinking the way I do, and how dare I ask questions about god. I could not believe what I was hearing from her.

So now shes said that she is cutting me out of her life because shes afraid the way I think will rub off on her and take her away from god.

Umm suggestions?

Get a new girlfriend.

Just Arrived Joined: Jun 30, 2008 Posts: 6

jasons99 wrote:

I am so mad right now I can't even see straight. I just got done with a three hour argument with my ex girlfriend who is a Christian.

She did nothing but tell me how stupid and blind I was! What the fuck? Are you kidding me. She said I sound like I've been brain washed into thinking the way I do, and how dare I ask questions about god. I could not believe what I was hearing from her.

So now shes said that she is cutting me out of her life because shes afraid the way I think will rub off on her and take her away from god.

Umm suggestions?

Hmmm....some pretty heated answers to this one. Seeing as how I have an ex-Christian(I can take some of the credit for it :p ) current deist/spiritulist girlfriend I can understand where you are coming from.

I have also gotten into heated exchanges with my brother in law, who I consider to be one of my best friends.

I know it can be frustrating, but you have to ask yourself right away what is more important; getting your point across or keeping your relationship with that person. For me, in both situations, I decided that my relationship with those people were more important then getting my point across no matter what. If you don't feel the same way, then you can probably stop reading my post right now :p

Quite frankly, I really skirted the boundaries of making my girlfriend feel as though I saw her as stupid because of her belief in God at the beginning of our relationship. We had many nights where we debated religion, and eventually I think she started seeing things from my point of view. I think getting someone to look honestly at things from your perspective is worth about a hundred grudgingly accepting points in a heated debate. At least, when the person is someone you are close to.

I would suggest before really diving into all the proof and disproofs you start with a calm explanation of the fact that belief in God is given undo credence in this country because of cultural bias. Explain that the starting point for all things is disbelief(simply the question should not be "why don't you beleive in God" it should be "why do you beleive in God?".

Then, if she is like most other common Christians she'll probably start talking about faith. Explain exactly why faith is a horrible, horrible basis for discerning any kind of truth.

I would suggest staying calm as best you can. It helps you present your argument better, and it's easier to avoid those "oh man, I forgot to point THAT out" moments later on. I've also fount that the most effective arguments are ones that get them thinking. They will rarely say "Well yeah, your right" right in front of you. Anything you say that is going to convince them is going to be stuff they take away with them and think about on their own. If the whole thing is a shouting match then chances are she will come away with a "what a complete dick!" sentiment, with nothing to think on later cause she'll be too busy being pissed that you were such a dick Wink

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:10 am

If she get's angry, that's usually a good sign Very Happy

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Christians who really believe in god are the ones who are never afraid of discussing it. A true christians "job" is to "save" people by converting them, but if she is afraid of even talking about it, her faith is probably hair thin.

I think you shouldn't try to convince her of atheism at all, but rather try to make understand that she can't lose her faith if she truly thinks that god is real... If christianity is true, then discussing it should confirm her belief even more.

Once she agrees to look for the truth no matter what, she will no doubt sooner or later become an atheist... muahahaha XD !

Haha, but getting someone even to not be afraid to look for the truth ain' an easy thing to do...

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:35 am

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I would suggest before really diving into all the proof and disproofs you start with a calm explanation of the fact that belief in God is given undo credence in this country because of cultural bias.

Good point. Tell her that if she had been born and raised in India, she would be a Hindu, not a Christian, because that is the predominant religion in that country. Your religious/spiritual beliefs depend a great deal on where and when you were born and what your parents taught you, and really have nothing to do with some invisible entity magically inserting some arcane knowledge into your brain.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 515

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Haha, but getting someone even to not be afraid to look for the truth ain' an easy thing to do...

We all look at the truth through our own eyes. Someone's perception of truth may be different than someone else's.

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:20 am

Cygnus wrote:

We all look at the truth through our own eyes. Someone's perception of truth may be different than someone else's.

Hold on, I didn't say look at the truth, but for it. The point is that truth is something that can only be expected to be found through a critical process... a neverending process, in fact.

Newbie Joined: Jul 17, 2008 Posts: 10

That's a tough break, but maybe you should first ask yourself whether her friendship is worth constant arguments and friction.

I had this situation with an ex as well. Her parents would not speak to me for almost an entire year when they found out I had lost my Christian faith. Of course, I was rubbing off on her, and she was growing skeptical. Eventually, however, her parents terrorized her into coming back to their way of thinking (threatening to take her off the family's group health insurance, take the deed to her car, not help her pay for her books and tuition, etc.).

Lo and behold, she has this big spiritual experience--big shock--and decides her parents were right all along. At this point, she and I could never talk without fighting--and we agreed to walk away from three years of knowing each other over this.

I don't know if you can do the same, and of course it's not something you will enjoy if it comes to that. But best of luck to you whatever you decide.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 515

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Hold on, I didn't say look at the truth, but for it. The point is that truth is something that can only be expected to be found through a critical process... a neverending process, in fact.

Some people don't see these things the same way. They can look at the same thing as a nonbeliever and get something totally different out of it. A believer might look at the big bang and think "that means god did it" and an atheist might see it like "it means that god isn't necessary". Remember that these things might have different meanings in the minds of different people, especially in the minds of believers. So if you tell her to look for the truth no matter what, keep in mind she might see a different truth. She has to learn how to look for the truth rationally.


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