There are, however, no waiting lists for those in the veterinary practice. Your cat, dog, or horse (or whatever) can get treatment faster than you can, on average, in Canada (excepting emergency treatment).
One wonders how far you have to have your head up your own ass in order to say that's humane or compassionate.
sjc Thinker
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Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:39 am
Ivan_Ivanov wrote:
Oh Lordi... I don't know where to start...
First of all your one-tier system is, at present time, pure fiction. If you bothered to actually read what other's post, you'd know that.
From Knight's link in another thread:
And you believe whatever KnoB says? You really must be getting desperate to use KnoB as a source. You do know that eventually he'll turn on you?
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Secondly: Yes, a two-tier system costs more then a one-tier system because people still have to pay for public healthcare,
even if they don't use it
. The fact that people are willing to pay for private healthcare, even tough they already paid for public healthcare and are entitled to it, should tell you something about it's quality.
Nope. It doesn't say anything about the quality.
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Cute, so what are those results they keep talking about, but fail to specify?
Like I had said before, evidence is wasted on you.
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Note, that this started when you decided to respond with a single emotican, to a post where I said that Canadian healthcare does nothing more then healthcare of other socialist countries.
You did absolutely nothing to prove me wrong.
I don't have to prove you wrong. You already were.
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Oh for fuck's sake, if you have an argument just post it already.
You first.
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But if you don't want to do that, please continue making an idiot out of yourself.
Like I had said, you first.
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Ok, I'm deluding myself.
Yes, you are. Admitting it is half the battle.
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In reality North Korea, Cuba and China all have a better system then the US.
Fuck, I think I'll stop responding to you and just quote the better parts of your post, my comments just spoil your pure unadultered stupidity.
Yes. It is truly sad that even dictatorships have a better system than America, which claims to be so rich and generous....
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Riight... and where in this quote of mine do you see any reference to this thread, dumbass?
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sjc Thinker
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Posts: 423
Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:57 am
offsprng46 wrote:
Enough with the arguing, I can settle this once and for all. Just look at how humane and caring Canadian Medicare is, as evidenced by the new reduced wait times (from
the CBC
):
* Radiation therapy to treat cancer within four weeks of patients being ready to treat.
* Hip fracture treatment within 48 hours.
* Hip replacements within 26 weeks.
* Knee replacements within 26 weeks.
* Surgery to remove cataracts within 16 weeks for patients who are at high risk.
* Breast cancer screening for women ages 50 to 69 every two years.
* Cervical cancer screening for women 18 to 69 every three years after two normal tests.
* Cardiac bypass patients will get treatment within two weeks to 26 weeks, depending on the severity of the case.
A four week wait to get cancer treatment?! Only a six month wait for hip or knee replacement!! Man, that just oozes compassion.
See, it wasn't the 18 months KnoB assert. You are assuming that there is absolutely no treatment nor care in the meantime, and also if it is life threatening there is no wait at all. Much of this you can't say of a growing number of patients in the USA.
More likely something like this will happen to you instead.
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sjc Thinker
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Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:59 am
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
There are, however, no waiting lists for those in the veterinary practice. Your cat, dog, or horse (or whatever) can get treatment faster than you can, on average, in Canada (excepting emergency treatment).
Canada should be the new home to PETA.
What, even PETA won't take yo in?
sjc Thinker
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Posts: 423
Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:01 am
offsprng46 wrote:
One wonders how far you have to have your head up your own ass in order to say that's humane or compassionate.
Enough with the arguing, I can settle this once and for all. Just look at how humane and caring Canadian Medicare is, as evidenced by the new reduced wait times (from
the CBC
):
* Radiation therapy to treat cancer within four weeks of patients being ready to treat.
* Hip fracture treatment within 48 hours.
* Hip replacements within 26 weeks.
* Knee replacements within 26 weeks.
* Surgery to remove cataracts within 16 weeks for patients who are at high risk.
* Breast cancer screening for women ages 50 to 69 every two years.
* Cervical cancer screening for women 18 to 69 every three years after two normal tests.
* Cardiac bypass patients will get treatment within two weeks to 26 weeks, depending on the severity of the case.
A four week wait to get cancer treatment?! Only a six month wait for hip or knee replacement!! Man, that just oozes compassion.
See, it wasn't the 18 months KnoB assert.
I remember it was a few years back, at least in Manitoba. And I don't think making someone with cancer wait a month for treatment is anything to brag about.
sjc wrote:
You are assuming that there is absolutely no treatment nor care in the meantime, and also if it is life threatening there is no wait at all. Much of this you can't say of a growing number of patients in the USA.
I want you to justify the government forcibly precluding a doctor from selling his services to a willing buyer who is in pain. Justify it right fucking now.
sjc wrote:
More likely something like this will happen to you instead.
I see, so it's OK to preclude mutually beneficial transactions by fiat (keep in mind that patients seeking private care are actually reducing the burden on Medicare) and to make patients in pain suffer, so long as some central planning board has arbitrarily ruled the procedure "elective." Also, I'd point out how humane it is to purposefully limit the number of diagnostic machines (as is SOP in Canada) in use so as to reduce new diagnoses and therefore "reduce" wait times. Really, that's quite caring and compassionate.
sjc Thinker
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:41 am
offsprng46 wrote:
I remember it was a few years back, at least in Manitoba. And I don't think making someone with cancer wait a month for treatment is anything to brag about.
You're still assuming that it is life threatening cancer and that they're also going without a doctor's care as well.
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I want you to justify the government forcibly precluding a doctor from selling his services to a willing buyer who is in pain. Justify it right fucking now.
The American system as an example is justification enough. Where a private health insurance company can refuse to pay for a treatment not because of availability, but solely based on cost to them alone. Or even demand that doctors not treat certain types of patients either.
Yeah, how dare the government also "forcibly preclude" a doctor operating without a license.
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OK... what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Its a picture of an elderly patient after being dumped on skid row in LA. Thats a real example of compassion if I ever saw one.
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I see, so it's OK to preclude mutually beneficial transactions by fiat (keep in mind that patients seeking private care are actually reducing the burden on Medicare) and to make patients in pain suffer, so long as some central planning board has arbitrarily ruled the procedure "elective."
Again, you are making the false assumption that they are going totally without care in the meantime.
Also, I'd point out how humane it is to purposefully limit the number of diagnostic machines (as is SOP in Canada) in use so as to reduce new diagnoses and therefore "reduce" wait times. Really, that's quite caring and compassionate.
America has the best health care that money can buy. That's it major problem and why it is such a failure for a growing number of Americans. In other words it doesn't work for far too many people.
I always get a laugh when I see what you guys are actually arguing against. Come on, if it isn't perfect you don't want it? Its still better than nothing in comparison to what a quickly growing number of Americans have to actually suffer through. Your system has next to no compassion at all and puts money above a person's life. In my mind that is truly an immoral way of doing things. That you put so much effort into justifying corruption and greed.
Knight_of_BAAWA Philosophical Prodigy
Joined: Mar 09, 2003
Posts: 4517
Location: USA
Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:11 am
offsprng46 wrote:
Enough with the arguing, I can settle this once and for all. Just look at how humane and caring Canadian Medicare is, as evidenced by the new reduced wait times (from
the CBC
):
* Radiation therapy to treat cancer within four weeks of patients being ready to treat.
* Hip fracture treatment within 48 hours.
* Hip replacements within 26 weeks.
* Knee replacements within 26 weeks.
* Surgery to remove cataracts within 16 weeks for patients who are at high risk.
* Breast cancer screening for women ages 50 to 69 every two years.
* Cervical cancer screening for women 18 to 69 every three years after two normal tests.
* Cardiac bypass patients will get treatment within two weeks to 26 weeks, depending on the severity of the case.
A four week wait to get cancer treatment?! Only a six month wait for hip or knee replacement!! Man, that just oozes compassion.
sjc wrote:
See, it wasn't the 18 months KnoB assert.
It was in that specific case. But let's not let facts like that get in the way of your denial of reality, shall we?
Please demonstrate that average wait times of up to 6 months is at all compassionate. Now.
Oh, and your links don't trump the
CANADIAN GOVERNMENT'S NUMBERS
. If you have a problem with those numbers--take it up with your prime minister. It's not our problem--it's yours.
Knight_of_BAAWA Philosophical Prodigy
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Posts: 4517
Location: USA
Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:12 am
Ivan_Ivanov wrote:
Oh Lordi... I don't know where to start...
First of all your one-tier system is, at present time, pure fiction. If you bothered to actually read what other's post, you'd know that.
From Knight's link in another thread:
sjc wrote:
And you believe whatever KnoB says?
Of course; I used figures from the Canadian government. Don't YOU trust the numbers from the Canadian government?
Knight_of_BAAWA Philosophical Prodigy
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Posts: 4517
Location: USA
Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:13 am
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
There are, however, no waiting lists for those in the veterinary practice. Your cat, dog, or horse (or whatever) can get treatment faster than you can, on average, in Canada (excepting emergency treatment).
Canada should be the new home to PETA.
sjc wrote:
What, even PETA won't take yo in?
People for the Eating of Tasty Animals did.
sjc Thinker
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Posts: 423
Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:19 am
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
It was in that specific case. But let's not let facts like that get in the way of your denial of reality, shall we?
Please demonstrate that average wait times of up to 6 months is at all compassionate. Now.
If there wasn't any care in the meantime than you would have a point, but of course you don't since they are still under the constant care of a doctor. While under your system they'd have to choose between eating and paying for any treatment, or having to travel all the way to Canada to be able to get affordable medications. And if they are lucky enough to have any insurance they run the risk of being refused or even canceled outright if you can't pay the huge increase in their premiums. None of these are a worry in our system.
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Oh, and your links don't trump the
CANADIAN GOVERNMENT'S NUMBERS
. If you have a problem with those numbers--take it up with your prime minister. It's not our problem--it's yours.
As if you knew what compassion actually means without having to look it up.
Still better than what far to many Americans have to suffer through for real. And we're correcting it while your system is only getting worse.
Like I had said, you put so much effort into justifying corruption and greed and have the nerve to call it freedom. You're truly pathetic.
Problems or not my quality of life is still better than yours because we do have a working system that does help a majority of people here unlike yours which is a growing failure for far too many of your own people. You all truly hate the people in your country.
Knight_of_BAAWA Philosophical Prodigy
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Posts: 4517
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Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:55 pm
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
It was in that specific case. But let's not let facts like that get in the way of your denial of reality, shall we?
Please demonstrate that average wait times of up to 6 months is at all compassionate. Now.
sjc wrote:
If there wasn't any care in the meantime
Please demonstrate than average wait times of up to 6 months is at all compassionate. Now.
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
Oh, and your links don't trump the
CANADIAN GOVERNMENT'S NUMBERS
. If you have a problem with those numbers--take it up with your prime minister. It's not our problem--it's yours.
sjc wrote:
As if you knew what compassion actually means without having to look it up.
Please demonstrate than average wait times of up to 6 months is at all compassionate. Now.
And do you have a problem with the numbers from your government? If you do, that means you believe your government is lying to you.
sjc Thinker
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Posts: 423
Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:45 pm
KnoB wrote:
trolling....
You're one thick piece of work. And no it isn't an average of up to 6 months, KnoB, and it is not the same for each province either. Its compassionate because they don't have to pay for it and if it is a truly life threatening matter they get it with no wait. Under your system all that matters is money and thus why it is a growing failure. Are you so stupid that I'll have to explain it to you at a rudimentary level? u iz stewped.
There are over 45 million Americans who would love to be able to get on ever a waiting list. In other words you system lacks real compassion. But then again you are nothing but a troll. And of course I still feel only pity for you and your mental defect.
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More trolling...
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First you have to actually know what it means, loser.
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Even more trolling....
Depends on how old they are. Like I had said, we are fixing it while your system is just getting worse. So, there is still far more compassion in our system then in yours. Your system would allow that old women to die if she can't afford to pay up and allow the rich to break in line.
In the end all you're doing is justifying corruption and greed because you hate the people of your nation.
Now I'm done playing with you for now, but like always you can continuing on with your empty ranting.
Knight_of_BAAWA Philosophical Prodigy
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Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:10 pm
It appears that sjc cannot support the notion that an average wait of up to 6 months for some medical procedures is, in fact, compassionate. sjc therefore will never again speak of compassion with respect to anything to do with health care, taxation, wealth redistribution schemes, and another other bullshit associated with his socialist fantasies, lest he be reminded that his country's health care system is wholly lacking in compassion, as he himself admitted.
Oh--you'll notice, sjc, that everyone is going to agree with me on this. You've hung yourself yet again.
sjc Thinker
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Posted:
Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:15 pm
KnoB wrote:
deluded ranting...
Poor misbegotten creature.
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You really must be getting desperate to use KnoB as a source. You do know that eventually he'll turn on you?
You are assuming that there is absolutely no treatment nor care in the meantime, and also if it is life threatening there is no wait at all. Much of this you can't say of a growing number of patients in the USA.
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