Kennedy to push for universal health coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:37 pm

sjc wrote:

It actually costs us far less than your system costs you. With all of those different insurers in the USA (Over 1500 I think) it creates a bureaucracy and waste bigger than there would be from a government.

This morning I had to go to the hospital for some MORE blood tests, because I'm getting my thyroid gland regulated, and all I had to do is pass them my NS Health Card and I was in and out within an hour.

Whatever the Canadian health service is doing, I wish they'd do it in Britain. Our health service is just a badly-managed well for the government to pour money down.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:03 pm

Ophis wrote:

Whatever the Canadian health service is doing, I wish they'd do it in Britain. Our health service is just a badly-managed well for the government to pour money down.

They're not doing anything more then in Britain, or in any other country of nationalized healthcare.
Sjc will do anything avoid admitting that Canada has it's problems, and even if you push him against the wall to do it, he will quickly add "but it's still better then in the US", even if America has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:30 pm

I hope sjc notices the american flag that flies proudly in my living room. (see my avatar) maybe it will annoy him, especially now that i have pointed it out. Razz

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Ophis wrote:

Whatever the Canadian health service is doing, I wish they'd do it in Britain. Our health service is just a badly-managed well for the government to pour money down.

You've had too many Tory governments. Smile

A number of years ago some of the G8 nations got together in order to discuss adopting a system like we use here in Canada.

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Ivan_Ivanov wrote:

They're not doing anything more then in Britain, or in any other country of nationalized healthcare.

:rotf:

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Sjc will do anything avoid admitting that Canada has it's problems, and even if you push him against the wall to do it, he will quickly add "but it's still better then in the US", even if America has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

I've stated on many occasions that it was far from being perfect, and yes it is still much better than what is going on in the USA. Even the worse of the systems is still much better than what the USA has which is basically worse than nothing and getting worse. And of course you are being deluded when you say that the USA has nothing to do with the discussion. It does even if only as an example of what not to do and what is a true failure because of it. You fundies sure love to distort the facts.

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hillbillyatheist wrote:

I hope sjc notices the american flag that flies proudly in my living room. (see my avatar) maybe it will annoy him, especially now that i have pointed it out. Razz

I'm probably one of the few, on here, who actually cares about what is going on in the USA now. The USA really never had to worry as much about external threats as it does the internal ones.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:52 pm

sjc wrote:

Ivan_Ivanov wrote:

They're not doing anything more then in Britain, or in any other country of nationalized healthcare.

:rotf:

Oh?
Then please give us a quick comparison of Canadian, British, and for good meassure, Danish and Finnish healthcare, and tell us exactly what Canada is doing what those other countries don't.

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I've stated on many occasions that it was far from being perfect,

Yes, after you were pushed against the wall to do so.

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and yes it is still much better than what is going on in the USA.

Thank you for proving my point.

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Even the worse of the systems is still much better than what the USA has which is basically worse than nothing and getting worse.

At first I wanted to comment this, but nothing I could say would make a bigger fool out of you, then what you already said...

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And of course you are being deluded when you say that the USA has nothing to do with the discussion. It does even if only as an example of what not to do and what is a true failure because of it. You fundies sure love to distort the facts.

Ah, someone has a reading comprehension problem.
I never said that this topic has nothing to do with the US, I said when someone points out Canadian problems, you always respond with "it's still better then in the US", regardless of wether or not it's the truth, or wheter anyone has mentioned the US.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:54 pm

sjc wrote:

I'm probably one of the few, on here, who actually cares about what is going on in the USA now.

Yes, because everyone that has a different opinion then you is a vile, uncaring, selfish monster.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:25 pm

sjc wrote:

I'm probably one of the few, on here, who actually cares about what is going on in the USA

You don't care about anything or anyone except yourself, period. Your hollow platitudes about how much you care about others are merely a smokescreen to cover the fact that you want everyone to serve you, since you believe you have some claim over others because of your disability.

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Ivan_Ivanov wrote:

Oh?
Then please give us a quick comparison of Canadian, British, and for good meassure, Danish and Finnish healthcare, and tell us exactly what Canada is doing what those other countries don't.

And while I'm at it why don't I also find a cure for cancer as well.....

Many of these other countries have a two-tier system, we don't. This means we have less costs and administration.

Comparison of Health Care Systems Europe, Canada and the US

I know what you're trying to do here and it won't work. All I've ever said is that our system works, for the most part, and I never said that it was the best system around. I know that you don't like to hear the truth, but even the most mismanaged social system is still better than what is happening to a growing number of Americans.

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Yes, after you were pushed against the wall to do so.

Nope.

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Thank you for proving my point.

The one on top of your head?

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At first I wanted to comment this, but nothing I could say would make a bigger fool out of you, then what you already said...

Look in a mirror when you say that. As I had said, you sure like to delude yourself.

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Ah, someone has a reading comprehension problem.

=P~

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I never said that this topic has nothing to do with the US, I said when someone points out Canadian problems, you always respond with "it's still better then in the US", regardless of wether or not it's the truth, or wheter anyone has mentioned the US.

Let's see what you actually had said;

"he will quickly add "but it's still better then in the US", even if America has nothing to do with the discussion at hand."

Gee, I caught you in yet another lie.

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Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:

[Translation from KnoB to reality:}

I don't care about anything or anyone except myself, period. My hollow platitudes about how much I don't care about others are merely a smokescreen to cover the fact that I want everyone to serve me, since I believe I have some claim over others because of my delusions of grandeur.

:bonkers:

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:24 am

sjc wrote:

I don't care about anything or anyone except myself, period. My hollow platitudes about how much I care about others are merely a smokescreen to cover the fact that I want everyone to serve me, since I believe I have some claim over others because of my disability.

We can play this game if you want. It's your choice. I have no qualms about it. But remember this: you really don't care about others. You wish to make some people slaves just because they have more than others. Caring does not mean that you put a gun to someone's head and say "give me your money or else". And THAT, sjc, is precisely the sort of barbarism that you hold to. It is no different whatsoever from the xer saying "believe in god or burn in hell".

Caring? You? Don't make me laugh.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:17 am

sjc wrote:

And while I'm at it why don't I also find a cure for cancer as well.....

Yes, because giving information you should already have if you want to take part in such discussion, is just as dificult as coming up with a cure for cancer.

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Many of these other countries have a two-tier system, we don't. This means we have less costs and administration.

Oh Lordi... I don't know where to start...
First of all your one-tier system is, at present time, pure fiction. If you bothered to actually read what other's post, you'd know that.

From Knight's link in another thread:

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There is already a multi-tier system in Canada. Workers Compensation Boards, the RCMP,
the Indian Affairs Ministry, insurance companies and the Federal Corrections Department
regularly pay for their clients/prisoners to receive prompt medical care at private surgical
clinics in Canada. Recently, the spouse of a deputy provincial health minister sought our
help to leave the queue to get private medical care. In November 2005, the CBC aired a
one hour documentary on their program "The Passionate Eye" on which they pointed out
the fallacy that Canada still has a one-tier system. Our organization, Timely Medical
Alternatives was featured prominently, on that show.

Secondly: Yes, a two-tier system costs more then a one-tier system because people still have to pay for public healthcare, even if they don't use it . The fact that people are willing to pay for private healthcare, even tough they already paid for public healthcare and are entitled to it, should tell you something about it's quality.

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Comparison of Health Care Systems Europe, Canada and the US

Cute, so what are those results they keep talking about, but fail to specify?

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I know what you're trying to do here and it won't work. All I've ever said is that our system works, for the most part, and I never said that it was the best system around.

Note, that this started when you decided to respond with a single emotican, to a post where I said that Canadian healthcare does nothing more then healthcare of other socialist countries.
You did absolutely nothing to prove me wrong.

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I know that you don't like to hear the truth, but even the most mismanaged social system is still better than what is happening to a growing number of Americans.

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Yes, after you were pushed against the wall to do so.

Nope.

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Thank you for proving my point.

The one on top of your head?

Oh for fuck's sake, if you have an argument just post it already.
But if you don't want to do that, please continue making an idiot out of yourself.

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Even the worse of the systems is still much better than what the USA has which is basically worse than nothing and getting worse.

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At first I wanted to comment this, but nothing I could say would make a bigger fool out of you, then what you already said...

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Look in a mirror when you say that. As I had said, you sure like to delude yourself.

Ok, I'm deluding myself.
In reality North Korea, Cuba and China all have a better system then the US.
Fuck, I think I'll stop responding to you and just quote the better parts of your post, my comments just spoil your pure unadultered stupidity.

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Let's see what you actually had said;

"he will quickly add "but it's still better then in the US", even if America has nothing to do with the discussion at hand."

Gee, I caught you in yet another lie.

Riight... and where in this quote of mine do you see any reference to this thread, dumbass?

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Ah, someone has a reading comprehension problem.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:29 am

Enough with the arguing, I can settle this once and for all. Just look at how humane and caring Canadian Medicare is, as evidenced by the new reduced wait times (from the CBC ):

* Radiation therapy to treat cancer within four weeks of patients being ready to treat.
* Hip fracture treatment within 48 hours.
* Hip replacements within 26 weeks.
* Knee replacements within 26 weeks.
* Surgery to remove cataracts within 16 weeks for patients who are at high risk.
* Breast cancer screening for women ages 50 to 69 every two years.
* Cervical cancer screening for women 18 to 69 every three years after two normal tests.
* Cardiac bypass patients will get treatment within two weeks to 26 weeks, depending on the severity of the case.

A four week wait to get cancer treatment?! Only a six month wait for hip or knee replacement!! Man, that just oozes compassion.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:18 am

There are, however, no waiting lists for those in the veterinary practice. Your cat, dog, or horse (or whatever) can get treatment faster than you can, on average, in Canada (excepting emergency treatment).

Canada should be the new home to PETA.


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