The biggest obstacle is probably that the bible has it comically reversed right? God makes man first then animals? I'm asking seriously since I've never actually read it but got information from other sources.
Its both. It all depends on which of the two accounts you read.
BarkAtTheMoon Grand Poster
Joined: Dec 21, 2004
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Posted:
Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:03 am
sjc wrote:
Saitou wrote:
The biggest obstacle is probably that the bible has it comically reversed right? God makes man first then animals? I'm asking seriously since I've never actually read it but got information from other sources.
Its both. It all depends on which of the two accounts you read.
The six day creation in the first chapter has animals first. The Adam & Eve story in Genesis 2 has Adam first, then animals.
From SAB.
Saitou Master of Logic
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Posted:
Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:48 am
BarkAtTheMoon wrote:
sjc wrote:
Saitou wrote:
The biggest obstacle is probably that the bible has it comically reversed right? God makes man first then animals? I'm asking seriously since I've never actually read it but got information from other sources.
Its both. It all depends on which of the two accounts you read.
The six day creation in the first chapter has animals first. The Adam & Eve story in Genesis 2 has Adam first, then animals.
From SAB.
Thanks guys. Well, my suggestion is compatible with the first then.
Ian2400 Graduate Thinker
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:07 am
Hmmm just thought I'd update on something interesting. I logged on to AIM today and she had an away msg that was something along the lines of "If you have faith, god will validate it" or some crap. Maybe a half hour or so after I logged on it was changed. Maybe she has some respect for my disbelief, which would be a good thing since for a second I thought about saying something. Oh well, as long as she respects me enough not to push it in my face I guess I'm fine with it.
satansballs Intern
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Posted:
Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:43 pm
Saitou wrote:
If it's such a big deal to you perhaps you should only date atheist girls.
Anyway I'd tell her that no living things are immune to evolution including plants.
We here on the Board know it shouldn't be a Big Deal.Yet, only dating Atheist women is Severely limiting.Atheists are Overwhelmingly Male and I applaud the Women who are Atheist yet still it is only a small number.
Medicated Just Arrived
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:38 pm
Ditch her. If you want sex "play ignorant"....just like her, until you get it. If you want a "relationship" tell her your an atheist and see how she takes it, if she can't accept it tell her "get the F*ck*". Why be with someone who can't accept you for you. Currently I'm going through the same problem, Im dating a theist. I waited until everything got good,( when she was all over me)....then I told her I was an atheist. She got all sad and ect and I told her "well it was nice knowing you, I know what happens from then on". Shockingly, she didnt lose interest in me but commended me for being honest with her, and she then stated she didnt care, but told me to just dont mention anything atheistic to her.....yes, the irony. It's your call man. Ask yourself, do you really wan to be with someone who has a bible for brains? If so go right ahead, try to delay the inevitable. But if your going to try and stay with her and "make things work' try not to focus on the negatives,....no matter how ignorant. lol.
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As one who has been dating a theist for 16 months now, I have some thoughts here.
It sounds like this thread is taking a turn where people are contemplating how to convince this girls that evolution occurs in humans.
Ask yourself a serious question: "Do you like this girl enough to be able to overlook her beliefs, even if they bug you?"
Because, to be honest, trying to debate her may send her packing (or you packing) in frustration. So, which would you prefer: to try and convince her and risk losing her, or to try and keep her while keeping your mouth shut and accepting that it might not be wise to debate your love interest.
The way our relationship works is this: she knows what I believe and I know what she believes. Both of us have promised the other that while we theology might come up in discusisons, whenever there is the hint of an argument or debate brewing, we leave it alone and accept the fact that we simply believe two different things.
In fact, as I've said on another thread, when she has had theological questions and she wanted to talk them over with me, I have refused. I want her spiritual journey to be her own, not mine. I respect her enough to figure that she can believe what she will and that us having different beliefs as to religion will not be a hinderance unless we let it be.
So, that might be the wisest course. You don't need to keep silent about your beliefs. You can let her know that you believe in the evolution of humans and that there is no god. But the minute you two start a debate, just be aware that you will probably not succeed in anything but annoying the crap out of eachother.
And really ask yourself if you are the type of person that can really tolerate the type of restraint it takes to be with a theist.
baddogma Grand Poster
Joined: Feb 02, 2006
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Location: Colorado
Posted:
Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:15 am
Ian2400 wrote:
Alright so I recently started dating a theist girl, and thought this would be a good place to discuss it with people I don't know personally. So far I don't have any huge issues, but she's already said a few things that, well...bugged me. She said "I believe in evolution of animals but not of man." Now I know this shouldn't be a big deal but it bugged me since, well...WE ARE FUCKING ANIMALS! Gah, I haven't said anything about it so far, and I don't know if I should or how I would go about doing it without offending her or making it look like I'm trying to push my beliefs (or lack-there-of) on her. Any suggestions from someone who may have been in the same situation? I know there's a few people here who have or had relationships with theists and now I need some advise. Thanks in advance.
-Ian
Ask her how her world view explains retrovirus insertions in man that match animals. Have her explain fossil hominids.
kmisho Grand Poster
Joined: Dec 06, 2005
Posts: 1678
Location: Richmond, Virginia USA
Posted:
Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:42 am
I for one can't even imagine at this point having a potential with such diametrically opposing views.
Ask her how her world view explains retrovirus insertions in man that match animals. Have her explain fossil hominids.
....Because that is good date conversation!
Really, if you have to get to the point where your date becomes your debating adversary, then you should really be asking yourself why you hang around.
I guess my problem with all this is that there are so many Christians AND atheists that seem to hold proving others wrong and "converting" them as a higher value than practically anything else.
And I can say right now with certainty that if you are one of them, dating a Christian is not for you. (And if she is one of them, then dating an atheist is not for her.)
Not saying that debate isn't good fun. It is when one's desire to 'bring the other around' trumps any other concern - like finding romance with someone who might be interesting - that problems occur.
I am sure there is more to this girl than being a christian. Maybe you should talk to her about that first.
I for one can't even imagine at this point having a potential with such diametrically opposing views.
If you ask me, sex is not worth it.
As cliche as it sounds, sex and love are two different things. Sex has never been my top priority. Speaking for my situation, I knew from early on that I was very compatible with this girl and we share too much in common to be hung up on one difference.
And I am not the type of atheist - as so many are who frequent these forums - where a person's belief about religion trumps everything else. I do not look at people first and foremost by their religion. I try to pay attention to the myriad of beliefs and attributes that make them them and see their religious belief as one part of that. Too many atheists see the belief on religion as not one part, but the only part that matters.
Raligan Post Noob
Joined: Sep 10, 2007
Posts: 55
Location: Almost Texas, but still Oklahoma
Posted:
Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:13 am
Kevinthepragmaticist wrote:
kmisho wrote:
I for one can't even imagine at this point having a potential with such diametrically opposing views.
If you ask me, sex is not worth it.
As cliche as it sounds, sex and love are two different things. Sex has never been my top priority. Speaking for my situation, I knew from early on that I was very compatible with this girl and we share too much in common to be hung up on one difference.
And I am not the type of atheist - as so many are who frequent these forums - where a person's belief about religion trumps everything else. I do not look at people first and foremost by their religion. I try to pay attention to the myriad of beliefs and attributes that make them them and see their religious belief as one part of that. Too many atheists see the belief on religion as not one part, but the only part that matters.
It's kind of scary if you think about it- my biggest contention with religion, other than their anti-science garbage (if applicable) is their intolerance- but when we go on an atheistic crusade, how are we any better than Jehova's Witnesses (except that we don't wake you up on Saturday morning), or any other evangelical?
It's kind of scary if you think about it- my biggest contention with religion, other than their anti-science garbage (if applicable) is their intolerance- but when we go on an atheistic crusade, how are we any better than Jehova's Witnesses (except that we don't wake you up on Saturday morning), or any other evangelical?
Oftentimes, when we do this, we are a little worse than the Jehova's Witness, in my opinon.
Why? Because we become people who are not only dogmatic and blisteringly intolerant, but a group that is CONVINCED that there is no way for us to be dogmatic and intolerant.
In other words, too many atheists that are dogmatic are convinced that as they, apparently, are defending no particular belief, that they cannot be dogmatic.
Thankfully, not nearly all atheists get to the point of religiosity, but if you cannot date a theist without making your blood boil, then you should really wonder whether you have crossed that line.
bendra Confident Learner
Joined: Jul 17, 2005
Posts: 86
Posted:
Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:37 pm
Ian2400 wrote:
Alright so I recently started dating a theist girl, and thought this would be a good place to discuss it with people I don't know personally. So far I don't have any huge issues, but she's already said a few things that, well...bugged me. She said "I believe in evolution of animals but not of man." Now I know this shouldn't be a big deal but it bugged me since, well...WE ARE FUCKING ANIMALS! Gah, I haven't said anything about it so far, and I don't know if I should or how I would go about doing it without offending her or making it look like I'm trying to push my beliefs (or lack-there-of) on her. Any suggestions from someone who may have been in the same situation? I know there's a few people here who have or had relationships with theists and now I need some advise. Thanks in advance.
-Ian
Tell her you want a
Christian Domestic Discipline
relationship. Christiian eroticization of sin can be quite hot let me tell you
Seriously, if you are young, not marriage minded, and like the relationship in other ways I'd try to laugh it off. You don't have to make a confrontation about it or be passive aggressive, just treat it like the joke that it is. Easy for me to say I know.
sfanetti Just Arrived
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Posts: 9
Posted:
Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:01 am
I used to date a girl that was convinced that every woo woo thing she heard about was real. We had some of the best discussions and most adversarial "relations" I've ever had. But in the end, we just could not move forward. I lost her to a church going man - a good Christian.
I heard from a relative a few years back that knew her. her Christian man turned out to be teh g@y( more correctly bi - but what is in a label ) - and he left her with 3 kids.
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If you want a "relationship" tell her your an atheist and see how she takes it, if she can't accept it tell her "get the F*ck*". Why be with someone who can't accept you for you. Currently I'm going through the same problem, Im dating a theist. I waited until everything got good,( when she was all over me)....then I told her I was an atheist. She got all sad and ect and I told her "well it was nice knowing you, I know what happens from then on". Shockingly, she didnt lose interest in me but commended me for being honest with her, and she then stated she didnt care, but told me to just dont mention anything atheistic to her.....yes, the irony. It's your call man. Ask yourself, do you really wan to be with someone who has a bible for brains? If so go right ahead, try to delay the inevitable. But if your going to try and stay with her and "make things work' try not to focus on the negatives,....no matter how ignorant. lol.
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