Should we side with Moderate Muslims against the Extremists?

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

No.

That is not quite correct.

Atheist fear scientific facts and they also fear logic.

Why?

Because both show Atheists' irrational stance.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:49 am

Please do not feed the troll.

BornAA.

Just Arrived Joined: Aug 17, 2009 Posts: 3

"Atheist fear scientific facts and they also fear logic"

hehe... this is too much fun.

This Islam forum seems pretty dead. Why not feed the troll and have a little fun?

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:01 am

junipertree wrote:

This Islam forum seems pretty dead. Why not feed the troll and have a little fun?

I'd echo B_A_A's sentiments and recommend not feeding this particularly obnoxious troll.
However, if you're in the mood for banging your head against a brick wall, go ahead, make his day...
Anyway, welcome to the forum. Smile

Just Arrived Joined: Oct 06, 2009 Posts: 7

Nonbelievers should always stand side by side with the moderate believers when fighting against terrorism and totalitarianism. It doesn't matter if we're talking about communism, islamofascism, of christian extremism. But as soon as we leave the physical battlefield, we don't have to hold back. I'll proudly say that I don't believe in Allah, Jahwe, Poseidon, and the Great Manitou. If they're really moderate, they will respect it.

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:44 pm

Would the Moderate Muslims ^TM side with the non believer against their religious conviction?
If yes, are they still Muslims?

One would think that Moderate Muslims would speak out, denouncing the militant Islamist, telling them that this is not real Islam, it's not what the Quran teaches.
But they do not. Their silence is deafening.
Ask yourselves why is this so.

Confident Learner Joined: Sep 02, 2010 Posts: 67

Modernism in religion for me is far more dangerous then extremism why because extremists fallow the true Islamic faith which in return is refused from the outset by other people and if this true form of the religion was portrayed many, probably 80% of the Muslims would leave the religion but modernism on the other hand decides to put a side these immoral unethical views of the religion which in return keep only the things that make sense to them now once you have this sort mentality then there is no hope for the person to leave the religion no matter what proves you provide to them so whether you give the scientific proof or contradictions in the Koran and Sunna or unethical and immoral values of "God" towards the human condition in the world or his torture for man kind in the afterlife. So when a person decides to be moderate and keep his version of the religion there will always be away for justifying his faith based on what the religion should be and not for what it is hence he is stuck e.g.. The idea that god is merciful and yet he is a monster torturing eternally so the person put away the monstrosity and he is left in his mind with merciful, justifying the monstrosity saying it gods will but in fact god is an extremist torturing. Even the extremists towards their own are merciful and so is god towards those who are his group. So in fact god is an extremist so is his religion. So we actually must be more against moderate Muslims.

I hope I have made my point if I haven its because I was not born English

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:43 am

Well said kurdistan101... and welcome to the forums Very Happy

You made your point well, just need to brush up on a little punctuation Wink

For the most part, I agree with you.

Confident Learner Joined: Sep 02, 2010 Posts: 67

Thank you mockinggods: I have been reading some of your posts and I think you are very intelligent along with some of the other guys around here and yes I do have a problem with punctuations hhhlol

Just Arrived Joined: Apr 12, 2008 Posts: 6

Lola wrote:

MockingGods wrote:

IOWs, "taking sides" is the problem.

Agreed. And we can't just lump people into these categories as if they all believe the same things.

Sure, all of my Muslim friends (most of my friends are Muslims BTW) are moderate (or I guess you could say "Reformed") but even between them there are disagreements.

So taking sides as if things were just black and white isn't the thing to do.

And these 'extremists' we hear about on the news that fly planes into buildings and what have you are also pick and choose... they claim to be following the Quran yet they'll go out to a strip club and have girlfriends... seems moderate in that area of their lives! lol

People can't be seperated into neat little goups and I think it's dangerous to even try.

Haven't signed in in so long...funny how in 2 years I have completely changed my views.

I think Islam is like a cancer. These so-called moderates are either (1) not TRUE quran believing Muslims but reformers who are not following what Islam tells them to do OR (2) they are simply calling themselves moderates to disguise their fundamentalism/radical beliefs. Whatever the case may be, Islam is bad. Islamization must be stopped. I think atheists spend too much time criticizing Christianity when our priority at the moment should be Islam. Christians are the ones high jacking planes and placing fatwas on crtitics, threatening to behead anyone who dares disagrees with them.

Just Arrived Joined: Apr 12, 2008 Posts: 6

pr126 wrote:

One would think that Moderate Muslims would speak out, denouncing the militant Islamist, telling them that this is not real Islam, it's not what the Quran teaches.
But they do not. Their silence is deafening.
Ask yourselves why is this so.

Actually it IS what the quran teaches. It teaches muslims to slay the infidels after giving them just one chance to convert.

This is why I don't believe in such a thing as a moderate muslim, as I stated above.

But yeah, I see what you're saying. The answer some give is that the so-called moderates are afraid of the consequences of speaking out. Look at the few who have. They receive death threats and some have been killed. This is why Islam, to me, is so much more of an immediate threat than Christianity is. There needs to be a shift in focus.


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