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Posted:
Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:19 pm
rayback wrote:
Most Atheists are incapable of using their heads properly.
And what exactly would "using our heads properly" involve?
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The problem is that Atheists lack common sense.
Just take a look.
Judging by the shear number of people that believe in one god or another, I'd have to agree with you that atheists exhibit an uncommon sense. We've come to reject the common sociological phenomena of theologically based religions. I'm sure even you personally reject most of these religions. If and when you come to understand they all share the same foundations of fear, misunderstanding, mythmaking and political control, perhaps you'll arrive at the same conclusion.
pr126 Philosophical Prodigy
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Posted:
Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:29 am
MockingGods wrote:
Quote:
And what exactly would "using our heads properly" involve?
Submitting to Ala. (Must be a new deity)
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Brian37 Forum Master
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Posted:
Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:42 am
MockingGods wrote:
rayback wrote:
Most Atheists are incapable of using their heads properly.
And what exactly would "using our heads properly" involve?
Quote:
The problem is that Atheists lack common sense.
Just take a look.
Judging by the shear number of people that believe in one god or another, I'd have to agree with you that atheists exhibit an uncommon sense. We've come to reject the common sociological phenomena of theologically based religions. I'm sure even you personally reject most of these religions. If and when you come to understand they all share the same foundations of fear, misunderstanding, mythmaking and political control, perhaps you'll arrive at the same conclusion.
While not impossible, to expect the human species to suddenly change it's behavior is as much a utopia as any fictional being they make up. Changing one's thinking cannot be done by force and does not, most of the time, happen over night.
rayback The Learned
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Posted:
Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:49 am
Brian37 wrote:
While not impossible, to expect the human species to suddenly change it's behavior is as much a utopia as any fictional being they make up. Changing one's thinking cannot be done by force and does not, most of the time, happen over night.
I agree.
At the moment Atheist are slightly better than chimps in reasoning capabilities.
Therefore, Atheists need a bit more time to evolve to be able to use their intellect efficiently.
Just take a look at their statements.
Brian37 Forum Master
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Posted:
Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:49 pm
rayback wrote:
Brian37 wrote:
While not impossible, to expect the human species to suddenly change it's behavior is as much a utopia as any fictional being they make up. Changing one's thinking cannot be done by force and does not, most of the time, happen over night.
I agree.
At the moment Atheist are slightly better than chimps in reasoning capabilities.
Therefore, Atheists need a bit more time to evolve to be able to use their intellect efficiently.
Just take a look at their statements.
Again, I am not the one who believes in an invisible immaterial super brain with no body or DNA or known location who has magical super powers. You might as well believe in Superman vs Lex Luthor. Your hollow Kriptonite claims do not impress me.
If that makes me a chimp, then you must be a Dodo bird.
"POOF......ALLAH DID IT"
"POOF......JESUS DID IT"
"POOF......YAHWEH DID IT"
Get in line buddy, your superstitious claims are not special to us.
Go find me Allah DNA or Allah sperm, get multiple independent certified peer reviewed biology labs to confirm your findings, then you will have something. Lets meet say, a week from never, and see what you come up with. But I am sure your all powerful invisible sky daddy shouldn't have a problem with that, right?
rayback The Learned
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Posted:
Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:41 pm
Brian37 wrote:
Go find me Allah DNA or Allah sperm, get multiple independent certified peer reviewed biology labs to confirm your findings, then you will have something.
Like others, Brain also wants God to be reviewed by the Discovery Channel before he looks into it.
This proves my brainwashing charge at least against some Atheists.
He also thinks God has DNA.
Maybe Brian even assumes that the Almighty evolved liked humans?
Irrational Atheist is appying the monkey tale to God.
This is the type of absurd stuff that is posted over and over again by Atheists.
9000 silly posts makes a member "master of logic".
Brian37 Forum Master
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Posted:
Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:19 pm
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Like others, Brain also wants God to be reviewed by the Discovery Channel before he looks into it.
This proves my brainwashing charge at least against some Atheists.
He also thinks God has DNA.
Maybe Brian even assumes that the Almighty evolved liked humans?
Irrational Atheist is appying the monkey tale to God.
This is the type of absurd stuff that is posted over and over again by Atheists.
9000 silly posts makes a member "master of logic".
No, I would not want any claim reviewed by the Discovery Channel, that is a media agency out to sell add time, not an independent science lab.
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He also thinks God has DNA
Only a moron would think I was claiming that.
I am saying that your god cannot exist because it is immaterial. I don't believe in your God so it would also make sense that a non-existent god wouldn't be made up of anything except human imagination.
If my arguments are too big for you I can draw you a coloring book.
rayback The Learned
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Posted:
Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:52 pm
Brian37 wrote:
I am saying that your god cannot exist because it is immaterial.
Brian believes only in material things.
He needs to touch and hold a thing to be convinced of its existence.
That is the level of the intellect of the poor chap.
Eon The Learned
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Posted:
Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:40 pm
rayback wrote:
Brian believes only in material things.
He needs to touch and hold a thing to be convinced of its existence.
That is the level of the intellect of the poor chap.
Can raybot present
any
evidence that immaterial things do, in fact, exist?
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Eon wrote:
rayback wrote:
Brian believes only in material things.
He needs to touch and hold a thing to be convinced of its existence.
That is the level of the intellect of the poor chap.
Can raybot present
any
evidence that immaterial things do, in fact, exist?
Brian said;
"I am saying that your god cannot exist because it is immaterial."
Yes, he is saying just that. If something has no impact on the world, or on the discussion at hand. It is said to be 'immaterial'.
By implying that 'god' is not real, one implies that it has no impact on the material observable universe. Or human affairs.
Not to be confused with phenomena such as radio waves (electromagnetic radiation) that have no physical properties that can be percieved by the senses. Yet these 'forces' or 'fields' can be demonstrated & interact with matter.
If you intend to go the 'way of the force' & put 'god' in that category, you need to demonstrate why that hypothesis is necessary. What exactly is it? How does it convey intelligence? (don't say 'through humans' - it's not the Broze Age anymore) How is a created universe different from a naturalistic one?
As for this 'brainwashing' charge, I would like you to consider that all current major theisms were either state enforced, the product of the ruling class, or adopted by powerful and influential factions within society - with military force. They are geo-political factions masquerading as supernaturally ordained protectorates.
If these forces were delivering 'the truth' why need a sword? Why threaten with death? Damnation? Forever on the wheel of incarnation (as a cockroach?) - even a monkey (or a five year old) can see through that smokescreen.
Philosophy, science and history has been used and abused by these arrogant pricks for millenia. East or west.
BTW, the virgins? Bullshit.
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MockingGods Master of Logic
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:49 am
PTP wrote:
Not to be confused with phenomena such as radio waves (electromagnetic radiation) that have no physical properties that can be percieved by the senses. Yet these 'forces' or 'fields' can be demonstrated & interact with matter.
I'm quite certain, as with all forms of energy, these fields/forces are the direct result of matter and are in fact matter in its energetic state. I seem to remember a mantra of science being something like "all forces must have a related particle". This is why they're working so hard to discover the graviton.
MockingGods Master of Logic
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Posted:
Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:53 am
pr126 wrote:
MockingGods wrote:
Quote:
And what exactly would "using our heads properly" involve?
Submitting to Ala. (Must be a new deity)
Yeah, our friend rayback seems to have invented a new god. He's a good example of how theistic beliefs evolve.
PTP The Learned
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Posted:
Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:15 am
MockingGods wrote:
I'm quite certain, as with all forms of energy, these fields/forces are the direct result of matter and are in fact matter in its energetic state. I seem to remember a mantra of science being something like "all forces must have a related particle". This is why they're working so hard to discover the graviton.
Yeah. At the risk of this becoming a love-in re. science (& I'm not a scientist, BUTi!!)... I agree, but I chose that phrase carefully, having consulted the font of all wiz... (my italics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter wrote:
The quark-lepton building blocks interact through a number of fundamental forces, and are described by the Standard Model of particle physics (gravity so far included only classically; see quantum gravity and graviton).[13] Interactions are mediated by field quanta or force carriers, of which the W-boson and the photon are examples.[14]
The interactions are not themselves building blocks, and consequently neither are their quanta. As one consequence, energy cannot always be related to matter:
for example, photons possess energy (see Planck relation); however, photons commonly are distinguished from matter.[15] Also, mass cannot always be related to matter: certain particles are massive, such as the W-boson, but are not matter. Although the field quanta by themselves are not matter, in conjunction with a complex of building blocks like an atom or a hadron, they contribute to the invariant mass of the combination, for example, through a binding energy. [16][17]
A distinction is made between force ('field quanta or force carriers') and matter (which is a story in & of itself!!)... but y'know what I mean. I was looking at this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Particle_overview.svg
(BTW - Eon, when I said 'be accurate' I was referring to our crashtestdummy, Ray, not you.)
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rayback The Learned
Joined: Jun 10, 2009
Posts: 187
Posted:
Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:31 pm
You guys have run way after a good beating I gave you.
It is so easy to grill you Atheists. You have very little intellect.
Just take a look at yourselves.
Go read your own replies to my devastating criticisms of your views.
You are so childish. Like men clutching at straws.
PTP The Learned
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Posts: 163
Location: Aussie
Posted:
Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:27 pm
Atheists do not fear god, they dread the irrational actions and limitless cruelty of the deluded.
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