Should we side with Moderate Muslims against the Extremists?

Just Arrived Joined: Apr 12, 2008 Posts: 6

MockingGods wrote:

IOWs, "taking sides" is the problem.

Agreed. And we can't just lump people into these categories as if they all believe the same things.

Sure, all of my Muslim friends (most of my friends are Muslims BTW) are moderate (or I guess you could say "Reformed") but even between them there are disagreements.

So taking sides as if things were just black and white isn't the thing to do.

And these 'extremists' we hear about on the news that fly planes into buildings and what have you are also pick and choose... they claim to be following the Quran yet they'll go out to a strip club and have girlfriends... seems moderate in that area of their lives! lol

People can't be seperated into neat little goups and I think it's dangerous to even try.

Newbie Joined: Jun 16, 2008 Posts: 13

My opinion: No. I will not pretend to believe something that I know is not true. Period.

The Learned Joined: Nov 30, 2004 Posts: 122

No because they are excellent liars and even the so called moderates practice oppression to women and other values considered despicable in any other culture. Their beliefs are a poison that any given time goes from mild to extreme with no in-between. History has shown that trend over and over again. Their belief is an infestation that tears the culture apart everywhere they infect. Witness Europe and even Canada for proof of that. What 9/11 proved was just how good they are at blending into society and acting one way until the time comes to accomplish their evil deed.

Yes, it is a similar fear that led to the Japanese interment camps and I'm not advocating that but we must be wary of these lieing tactics.

Make no mistake, this is an economic AND religious culture war. And do not forget what Democrats tend to forget: that even their hero Billy Clinton bombed Saddam a number of times because the first Gulf War was technically not over as long as Saddam continued to defy the UN mandates. IOW, this war would have started even had Gore won instead of Bush. How it would have been waged may have varied however, (troop numbers, tactics, etc...) but that's an unknown variable.

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:26 am

Lola wrote:

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Sure, all of my Muslim friends (most of my friends are Muslims BTW) are moderate (or I guess you could say "Reformed") but even between them there are disagreements.

Think that those "moderate" muslims friends would be on your side if it came to a war between Islam and the kuffar? Could you trust them next to you with guns and live ammo? Would you risk your life on a hunch that they are loyal to the kuffar and not Allah? If so, then they are no longer Muslims but apostates.
Ask your Muslim friends to explain Quran 5:51

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And these 'extremists' we hear about on the news that fly planes into buildings and what have you are also pick and choose... they claim to be following the Quran yet they'll go out to a strip club and have girlfriends... seems moderate in that area of their lives! lol

It was a necessary "disguise" to convince the authorities that they are "moderates". Another form of taqiyya.

A "moderate" Muslim is no Muslim at all in the eyes of True Muslims TM .

Islam is not moderate. It is full of hatred and enmity against the non Muslim world.
A Muslim may appear moderate for tactical purposes, until he is strong enough in numbers and in power to engage in the eternal fight against the unbelievers in the cause of Allah.

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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:52 am

Better still, ask the question Would the "moderate" Muslims side with us against the "extremist" Muslim?

The answer is no.

Muslims say that there are no Moderate Muslims and no extremist Muslims. There are just Muslims.

Muslims say this. Not me.

Just Arrived Joined: May 03, 2009 Posts: 1

I say that we, as atheists, are a minority and to function in society we need to have relationships with people of all religious backgrounds. Extremist Muslims, just like extremist Christians are a rare exception. They are usually young, poor, and isolated. They have been sold the dream of paradise by someone who was not willing to give up there own life for it, and promised that their families will be taken care of and treated like royalty when they are dead. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by their acts.

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Better still, ask the question Would the "moderate" Muslims side with us against the "extremist" Muslim?

The moderate Muslims that I know ( all MD's or resident's that I work with at a large hospital) would not give up their life's work to protect a terrorist by not turning one in or by taking up arms against their coworkers if the call for Jihad comes. They hate the extremist just as much as we do.

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:14 am

kat123 wrote:

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The moderate Muslims that I know ( all MD's or resident's that I work with at a large hospital) would not give up their life's work to protect a terrorist by not turning one in or by taking up arms against their coworkers if the call for Jihad comes. They hate the extremist just as much as we do.

There are always exceptions.

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

There is nothing wrong with capital punishment or with war.

Both are practised by the United States. They are in our Constitution.

Muslims also believe in hanging murderers and waging a just war.

God is not a pacifist.

Islam is a kick ass religion which orders its followers to
crush the balls of anyone that dares tries to bully muslims.

Forum Master Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 10155

rayback wrote:

There is nothing wrong with capital punishment or with war.

Both are practised by the United States. They are in our Constitution.

Muslims also believe in hanging murderers and waging a just war.

God is not a pacifist.

Islam is a kick ass religion which orders its followers to
crush the balls of anyone that dares tries to bully to muslims.

Typical schoolyard mentality. You impress me as much as any American soldier who says "Kill em all and let God sort em out".

I'll say the same thing to your Allah, as I would to their Jesus. If violence is how humans should solve conflict, SUCK MY DICK!

Allah and Jesus sitting in a tree
Sooting and stabbing
Shouting with glee

First comes hate
Then comes blood
Then comes a needless
Mushroom cloud.

As an atheist, do peaceful humans a favor, and take your stupid childish beef to another planet and don't blow this one up. I live here too. Or are Jesus and Allah that selfish of pricks that they don't give a shit whom they take out with them?

Your fictional god, Allah, nor the fictional God of Jesus, don't scare me. But their fans do.

Muslim, "My sky daddy is going to kick your ass"
Christian, "My sky daddy is going to kick your ass"

Grow up.

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:03 am

rayback wrote:

Both are practised by the United States. They are in our Constitution.

Just because something is practiced by the US or is in its constitution doesn't necessarily mean it isn't wrong, or conversely, that it's right. War is very tenuous to justify in the best cases, in the worst, you wind up with Iraq.

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God is not a pacifist.

No kidding! Personally, I wouldn't worship or believe in a god that acted exactly like most of us humans.

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

Closed minded Atheists are not capable of
worshipping anything beside monkeys.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:54 pm

rayback wrote:

Closed minded Atheists are not capable of
worshipping anything beside monkeys.

If I worshipped monkeys, at least I could point to the monkey and show it exists. Guess those sun worshippers were on to something.

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

These absurd responses show how Atheists are incapable of using logic.

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:52 am

rayback wrote:

These absurd responses show how Atheists are incapable of using logic.

Point to the no-thing you worship and show it exists. While I don't worship monkeys, at least I can demonstrably show they exist.

Ray, the problem here is we don't respect your ability to engage in a stimulating discussion. We're not giving you intelligent responses because there's nothing intelligent to respond to. When you say things like we're "not capable of worshipping anything beside monkeys", do you expect us to take you seriously?

The Learned Joined: Jun 10, 2009 Posts: 187

MockingGods wrote:

we don't respect your ability to engage in a stimulating discussion.

This is coming from an Atheist who does not even know what intellectual reasoning is.

Most Atheists are incapable of using their heads properly.

The problem is that Atheists lack common sense.

Just take a look.


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