Who standardizes Faith.

Newbie First Class Joined: Dec 21, 2005 Posts: 44

One man's god is another man's delusion.

We are living with a generation of designer gods.

Choose a god, any god, make it fit your lifestyle and wallah!

What ya know...They've got their own personal, tailor made god.

Guaranteed to last a life time of arguments and resistant to all kinds of logic and reason.

There just seems to be no standardization of identification of any religion.
To identify a human they must have two eyes, hands, feet with five finger and toes and one head, heart, liver and one set of genitals to assign a gender.
But believers, what are we to use to standardize what a believer is believing in and is it the right one?

Oh we have the bible or Koran as a tool of standardization.

Both religious books are only able to standardize what the individual or group wants to or chooses to apply and they are free to ignore whatever they want.

These books are vague and only aid in confusion and are fuel for the means of separation and the forming of more cult groups.

Some are allowed to watch TV others can't, some are rich and healthy and others are poor and sick, some go to Church regularly and other are exempt from all ritual service and so on and so on.

IF there is a god behind all of these different tailor made religions, the god seems to be incapable to regulate any standardization.

All the standardization is assigned by the individual or by the group. The god could not care less about a fair system that governs the identification and standardization of the god's religion or system of belief.

Everyone on Earth can blame or praise there lot in life on a invisible higher authority.

And everyone on Earth can be in the same predicament whether they have a higher authority or not.

I see no difference in treatment in life to those who have a higher authority and those who do not.

One could say my belief in god made me rich and prosperous and another can say my non belief in a god made rich and prosperous.

Seeing there is no standardization of identification of any god of any faith.
I see I have no chance of identifying if I have the right one or not.

So I choose NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Just because it is the most safest and logical conclusion of my choice.

Everyone proclaims they have the one true god and the one true faith.

A God can be anything and there is no way of identifying the one true god, so there must be no one true god.

If there is a one true god or faith, the one true god could not care less about settling the issue of identification.

It is as if the one true god does not even exist. If it does exist, it could not care less about the certainty of there own existence and the standardization of it's believer's belief.

God does not regulate beliefs, believers do, or try to.
At least believers like to believe they can regulate their belief or faith but to little to no success.

After all shouldn't it be the god's job to do all the regulating?

All the standardization comes only from the individual not from any god.

I am certain there is no god behind any faith, due to the lack of any standardization from any supernatural origin.

So to sum up - If a god is all powerful how come it has no power to standardize his created and endoresed religion and prevent the the lies from entering into his religion?

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:20 am

powerup wrote:

One man's god is another man's delusion.

We are living with a generation of designer gods.

Choose a god, any god, make it fit your lifestyle and wallah!

What ya know...They've got their own personal, tailor made god.

Guaranteed to last a life time of arguments and resistant to all kinds of logic and reason.

There just seems to be no standardization of identification of any religion.
To identify a human they must have two eyes, hands, feet with five finger and toes and one head, heart, liver and one set of genitals to assign a gender.
But believers, what are we to use to standardize what a believer is believing in and is it the right one?

Oh we have the bible or Koran as a tool of standardization.

Both religious books are only able to standardize what the individual or group wants to or chooses to apply and they are free to ignore whatever they want.

These books are vague and only aid in confusion and are fuel for the means of separation and the forming of more cult groups.

Some are allowed to watch TV others can't, some are rich and healthy and others are poor and sick, some go to Church regularly and other are exempt from all ritual service and so on and so on.

IF there is a god behind all of these different tailor made religions, the god seems to be incapable to regulate any standardization.

All the standardization is assigned by the individual or by the group. The god could not care less about a fair system that governs the identification and standardization of the god's religion or system of belief.

Everyone on Earth can blame or praise there lot in life on a invisible higher authority.

And everyone on Earth can be in the same predicament whether they have a higher authority or not.

I see no difference in treatment in life to those who have a higher authority and those who do not.

One could say my belief in god made me rich and prosperous and another can say my non belief in a god made rich and prosperous.

Seeing there is no standardization of identification of any god of any faith.
I see I have no chance of identifying if I have the right one or not.

So I choose NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Just because it is the most safest and logical conclusion of my choice.

Everyone proclaims they have the one true god and the one true faith.

A God can be anything and there is no way of identifying the one true god, so there must be no one true god.

If there is a one true god or faith, the one true god could not care less about settling the issue of identification.

It is as if the one true god does not even exist. If it does exist, it could not care less about the certainty of there own existence and the standardization of it's believer's belief.

God does not regulate beliefs, believers do, or try to.
At least believers like to believe they can regulate their belief or faith but to little to no success.

After all shouldn't it be the god's job to do all the regulating?

All the standardization comes only from the individual not from any god.

I am certain there is no god behind any faith, due to the lack of any standardization from any supernatural origin.

So to sum up - If a god is all powerful how come it has no power to standardize his created and endoresed religion and prevent the the lies from entering into his religion?

To answer your last question, is it possible that "god" had no intention of a religion if god does exist. But rather it is man's desire to narrow things down such as yourself to a standardization that brought religion and its' lies (I prefer contradictions) into existance?

Your statement of what is human is way off. People are born with more parts and less parts than other humans daily and we have no problem recognizing them as human. There is less standardization of humans than you have suggested. Colors of skin, hair, voice differances, and not to mention differences internally, emotionally and intellectually.

It is only in recent years that the bible was intended to be taken literally, possibly within the last 100 years. It shouldn't matter if you understand another's god or not. Life is meant to be lived by an individual not to be one robotic conformity.

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:57 am

ShaSha wrote:

It is only in recent years that the bible was intended to be taken literally, possibly within the last 100 years.

I lol'd

The Learned Joined: Nov 30, 2004 Posts: 122

powerup wrote:

One man's god is another man's delusion.

We are living with a generation of designer gods.

Choose a god, any god, make it fit your lifestyle and wallah!

What ya know...They've got their own personal, tailor made god.

Guaranteed to last a life time of arguments and resistant to all kinds of logic and reason.

There just seems to be no standardization of identification of any religion.
To identify a human they must have two eyes, hands, feet with five finger and toes and one head, heart, liver and one set of genitals to assign a gender.
But believers, what are we to use to standardize what a believer is believing in and is it the right one?

Oh we have the bible or Koran as a tool of standardization.

Both religious books are only able to standardize what the individual or group wants to or chooses to apply and they are free to ignore whatever they want.

These books are vague and only aid in confusion and are fuel for the means of separation and the forming of more cult groups.

Some are allowed to watch TV others can't, some are rich and healthy and others are poor and sick, some go to Church regularly and other are exempt from all ritual service and so on and so on.

IF there is a god behind all of these different tailor made religions, the god seems to be incapable to regulate any standardization.

All the standardization is assigned by the individual or by the group. The god could not care less about a fair system that governs the identification and standardization of the god's religion or system of belief.

Everyone on Earth can blame or praise there lot in life on a invisible higher authority.

And everyone on Earth can be in the same predicament whether they have a higher authority or not.

I see no difference in treatment in life to those who have a higher authority and those who do not.

One could say my belief in god made me rich and prosperous and another can say my non belief in a god made rich and prosperous.

Seeing there is no standardization of identification of any god of any faith.
I see I have no chance of identifying if I have the right one or not.

So I choose NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Just because it is the most safest and logical conclusion of my choice.

Everyone proclaims they have the one true god and the one true faith.

A God can be anything and there is no way of identifying the one true god, so there must be no one true god.

If there is a one true god or faith, the one true god could not care less about settling the issue of identification.

It is as if the one true god does not even exist. If it does exist, it could not care less about the certainty of there own existence and the standardization of it's believer's belief.

God does not regulate beliefs, believers do, or try to.
At least believers like to believe they can regulate their belief or faith but to little to no success.

After all shouldn't it be the god's job to do all the regulating?

All the standardization comes only from the individual not from any god.

I am certain there is no god behind any faith, due to the lack of any standardization from any supernatural origin.

So to sum up - If a god is all powerful how come it has no power to standardize his created and endoresed religion and prevent the the lies from entering into his religion?

Good points! When you get down to brass tacks perhaps your points are why the Roman Catholic Church really should be the gold standard for what Christianity really is. The RCC love 'em or hate 'em at least indeed does have people who "standardize" their faith and it's changed very little. When change has come its usually been after much bloodshed and persecution. Representing the Protestant sectors you have Missouri Synod Lutherans who do have their beliefs clearly outlined in the Book of Concord and some writings from Luther himself. Pentecostals for all their variations do actually have a book I've found is common to them all called "Foundations of Pentecostal Theology" by Duffield and Van Cleave which is put out by the Four Square church. I've found that book taught at Assembly of God, 4Square, Pentecostal Holiness, and RHEMA Bible schools.

Those three sources are the only ones I'd personally bother with at all as a source of "Christian" debate. All other churches vary so darn much that they really don't even know or have a consensus on what, why and how they believe. You'll notice Calvinism is left out. That's intentional because it's really similar to Lutheranism anyway and I've found subtle variations in so called "Calvinist" branches as well.

Newbie First Class Joined: Dec 21, 2005 Posts: 44

I look at all the statements that Christians (mainly) make or repeat.

God is able to do exeedingly and abundantly,
God watches over his word to fulfill it,
God is in control or god controls everything.

Now if these statement are reliant on a god doing and performing all these things.
From my observation he does none of these things.

Anyone could and does, start up a new religion today and all they need to do is tack on a name, a couple of verse to back up their dogma and wallah!

God can not and does not stop this?

Can he stop anything at all? If he does it is very selective in deed and goes on without any notice by humans.
Seems like he can't even stop a little thing like a new religion?

If there is a god all the evidence points that he does not care about very much at all or at least cares very little in preventing anything.

All things are allowed by god and if he allows all things like murder and new religions.

Then they are allowed by him and no judgement is ever required.

Sounds about right to me.

What do ya think?

Religion has made a god of regulation but I see no god that regulates anything besides nature e.g. blood pressure (I am guessing here).

I can see man doing an awfull lot of regulating, a shit load actually. It is a quality of the humans mind, not of any god, I think.

P.s. Skin colour and sexual preferences are not standards of measuring if people are human or not.
Five fingers and toes are standard of human health and normality, I stand corrected.

The Learned Joined: Nov 30, 2004 Posts: 122

Also good points Powerup.

I was at a get together Saturday night and in passing one of the people mentioned how children can sometimes see their guardian angel. Now I think we all know this kind of claim is common to several cultures (if not all) and there's perfectly logical explenations for it from imaginary friends to the brain mis-interpreting their own shadow when they run. I recall myself seeing things when I'd run indoors and a presence with me at all times. Well gee indoors shadows can be cast any direction and the presence feel is the growing sense of self in a child which religions exploit.

But the point about this that's similar to your statement Powerup is that if we have guardian angels they sure do a lousy job. Where was the angel for the child in Omaha who was left to fend for himself for days and died? How about all the children who died in the Tsunami or Earthquakes, and volcano's in South America?

A: Oh that's when the angel hugged them.

Me: oh gee, a spiritual hug. Oh so they are a Death Angel or Hug Angel? Make up your minds.

When I was in the Coast Guard we were taught to be true Guardians which meant sometimes subduing the person in the water who is panicking or being irrational. In short to do everything in our power and then some to "guard" them. Firefighters, police, and even the common logical caring citizen do the same thing in an emergency everyday. - That's what guardians do.

9/11 attacks was a point when I really started to analyze my faith openly. The Tsunami of 2004 was the straw that broke the camels back. Though those were merely events that mark periods and not the reasons themselves so any fundy's out there reading don't think you can do some lame brain mini-sermon about them to bring me back around because I've preached why do bad things happen type sermons myself in the past.

When I was a child I spoke as a child and acted as a child, when I became a man I put childish things behind.

Newbie First Class Joined: Dec 21, 2005 Posts: 44

It is said that the Gospel will be preached unto the ends of the Earth.
Nowhere does it say, it will be preached for thousands of years at the point of the sword.
Nowhere does it say it will divided six ways to Sunday and be misinterprited until no one knows what is the real original Church is anymore.
Jesus' prophecies are so vaugue, wars and rumours of wars, seas raging. Are not prophecies they are logical predictions.

My prophecy, weeds will grow where flowers are planted,

Master of Logic Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 9384

powerup wrote:

One man's god is another man's delusion.

We are living with a generation of designer gods.

Choose a god, any god, make it fit your lifestyle and wallah!

What ya know...They've got their own personal, tailor made god.

Guaranteed to last a life time of arguments and resistant to all kinds of logic and reason.

There just seems to be no standardization of identification of any religion.
To identify a human they must have two eyes, hands, feet with five finger and toes and one head, heart, liver and one set of genitals to assign a gender.
But believers, what are we to use to standardize what a believer is believing in and is it the right one?

Oh we have the bible or Koran as a tool of standardization.

Both religious books are only able to standardize what the individual or group wants to or chooses to apply and they are free to ignore whatever they want.

These books are vague and only aid in confusion and are fuel for the means of separation and the forming of more cult groups.

Some are allowed to watch TV others can't, some are rich and healthy and others are poor and sick, some go to Church regularly and other are exempt from all ritual service and so on and so on.

IF there is a god behind all of these different tailor made religions, the god seems to be incapable to regulate any standardization.

All the standardization is assigned by the individual or by the group. The god could not care less about a fair system that governs the identification and standardization of the god's religion or system of belief.

Everyone on Earth can blame or praise there lot in life on a invisible higher authority.

And everyone on Earth can be in the same predicament whether they have a higher authority or not.

I see no difference in treatment in life to those who have a higher authority and those who do not.

One could say my belief in god made me rich and prosperous and another can say my non belief in a god made rich and prosperous.

Seeing there is no standardization of identification of any god of any faith.
I see I have no chance of identifying if I have the right one or not.

So I choose NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Just because it is the most safest and logical conclusion of my choice.

Everyone proclaims they have the one true god and the one true faith.

A God can be anything and there is no way of identifying the one true god, so there must be no one true god.

If there is a one true god or faith, the one true god could not care less about settling the issue of identification.

It is as if the one true god does not even exist. If it does exist, it could not care less about the certainty of there own existence and the standardization of it's believer's belief.

God does not regulate beliefs, believers do, or try to.
At least believers like to believe they can regulate their belief or faith but to little to no success.

After all shouldn't it be the god's job to do all the regulating?

All the standardization comes only from the individual not from any god.

I am certain there is no god behind any faith, due to the lack of any standardization from any supernatural origin.

So to sum up - If a god is all powerful how come it has no power to standardize his created and endoresed religion and prevent the the lies from entering into his religion?

Even if it doesnt deconvert someone, my tactic of attacting the hocus pokus(I call it my one trick poney) frustrates the theist because even though they believe, they know they have nothing to veryify other than "god did it" ultimatly.

I like to treat fantastical magical claims as such and if someone postulates an absurdity, they cant wiggle out of it with me with some ambigious naked assertion "ABRACADABRA" claim of "god did it".

I say, "Ok, fine, I hear you claim that, but my question is not "WHO" but "HOW" did this happen. And the standard responses fall way short of evidence and are nothing but claims. Backing up a claim with a claim is not evidence.

So of course god(s) can be whatever the believer wants because when you make it up in your head you can move the goal posts.

Newbie First Class Joined: Dec 21, 2005 Posts: 44

What about the old, "Jesus Loves you", saying.

Well....he doesn't love Christianity.

Oh! Yes he does says the Christian.

That could be true, but which one?

Oh It is my one, says the Christian.

Oh so he has put you in the right one but has let the other 99% stay in the wrong one/s.

Christians say the cutest things don't they?

By all estimates the Christians who died during the Dark ages, died for lies.

They were in a real pickle then, weren't they Dick?

Become a Christian today, you may have a chance of picking the right one, but that's a long story.

I still choose NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Lets hear from the trick pony.


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