Tyler Durden's 1st post on God and Atheism

Newbie Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 12

What's up guys?

Yes, this is indeed Tyler Durden's first post. (so, go easy on me)

Just to clarify my position - I am not an Atheist nor am I Religious.

First of all, I think Atheists are crazy and close-minded as Religious folks. Atheists do have a religion - they call it "SCIENCE".

Second, I think any Religion is dangerous and downright stupid to mankind since it imprisons a person's ability to think. (just like Atheism)

We need to change our fundamental definition of God from a Judeo-Christian interpretation to a Spiritual context.

Under a Spiritual context, God could be defined as the Universe, Space, Time, Matter, Infinity, Love, etc. (not some sort of perfect or omnipotent being existing somewhere far above the skies or heavens)

And I think this is why every time I witness a Atheist and a person of Religion arguing over God, it makes me laugh.

To get a better understanding on what Spirituality actually is, start by reading a book titled "I Am That".

Newbie First Class Joined: May 03, 2008 Posts: 31

atheist is more semantics nothing else I dont believe in santa either and idont call my self an asantaiest. get the point? why will you define god with all these concepts? they all have definitions already. science a religion ? do you know what dogma means? oh and if I want to be spiritual I'll just watch my fireplace

Newbie Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 12

Jeez, why does every Atheist bring up Santa Claus?

Anyways, yeah, I think you should sit next to a Fireplace. It's a good start for you.

Resident Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 392

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Under a Spiritual context, God could be defined as the Universe, Space, Time, Matter, Infinity, Love, etc. (not some sort of perfect or omnipotent being existing somewhere far above the skies or heavens)

If god can be anything, then what is the use of the concept? I do not believe in god. That does not mean that I hold science dogmatically, nor does it mean that I do not believe that god exists. The answer to that question is: I don't know.

So why am I an atheist? I have no reason to believe that there is a god, or that there isn't. why would I trust in something that I don't even know truly exists, such as god or spirituality?

You seem to have a very narrow definition of 'atheist'.

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First of all, I think Atheists are crazy and close-minded as Religious folks. Atheists do have a religion - they call it "SCIENCE".

Atheists like myself needed an open mind to get out of religion. I am not nearly as crazy as religious folk, nor is my religion science.

I highly doubt that you know what science is in the first place.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 4:10 pm

tyler4real wrote:

We need to change our fundamental definition of God from a Judeo-Christian interpretation to a Spiritual context.

This seems to be a trend among certain theists.

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Under a Spiritual context, God could be defined as the Universe, Space, Time, Matter, Infinity, Love, etc. (not some sort of perfect or omnipotent being existing somewhere far above the skies or heavens)

By all means, let us further obfuscate the meaning of the word god.

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Jeez, why does every Atheist bring up Santa Claus?

Jeebus! Why do you bold everything you write Wink

Newbie First Class Joined: May 03, 2008 Posts: 31

[quote="tyler4real"][b]Jeez, why does every Atheist bring up Santa Claus?

what do you prefer ? leprechaun,pink unicornio, dragons. Very Happy

Newbie Joined: Feb 14, 2008 Posts: 14

Well Tyler, you have made some big claims here. claims I have heard debunked before. I'm not up to giving a point by point right now, but I'm sure someone will soon.

My question for you is this: Are you dogmatic? or are you open minded? I think of open minded as being willing to be proven wrong.
so, if it is proven to you that atheism is the only reasonable default position, will you change your view? or will you hold stubbornly to your faith?
most people will stick to their faith, which is why I don't think of faith as a virtue.

Resident Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 392

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Yes, this is indeed Tyler Durden's first post. (so, go easy on me)

Oh, I don't think anyone's going to go easy on you. I for one get the impression that you are as dogmatic and narrow-minded as some christians.

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By all means, let us further obfuscate the meaning of the word god.

This was on my mind as well. So according to Tyler's definition of god, I can call my guitar 'god' and worship it as such. I could do the same with my garden gnome, my lampshade, or any common object. There is no reason to refere to some supernatural being in the quest for meaning.

Newbie First Class Joined: May 03, 2008 Posts: 31

don't get us wrong tyler we only want you to think

We are happy that you post here. we all start seeking our own ways. it takes awhile to get to be a freethinker.

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:58 am

You sound remarkably dogmatic there Tyler.

Newbie Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 12

Guys,

I think all of you are missing my point.

Listen, you can define God in anyway you choose. (except through a religious context)

My whole argument is that using "GOD" in your vocabulary is not a bad thing like Atheists claim it to be. (and you can make God mean whatever you want to make it....like a guitar for example)

I just used the words Universe, Space, Time, & Matter since it encapsulates everything and has a universal understanding. (or one would think)

And since a Stone or a Guitar is made up of matter, and exists in this Time, and is part of our Universe, YES, it is a part of God.

Dogmatic is defined as someone who states or asserts opinions without proof. I'm merely only suggesting that Atheists and Religious people quit looking at the way of our society rigidly defines God. And rather let ourselves adapt a more universal theme - which by the way - also defines spirituality.

I've talked to a lot of Religious and Atheist folks out there. And to me, they are the ones who come across as Dogmatic and Close-Minded. Religious people use the word 'God' in a horrible and disgusting way while Atheists cry foul when hearing the word 'God' uttered to them.

I by no means claim to be a authority on God.

Did God create the Universe? I don't know. I "think" God became the Universe.

Then, who created God? I don't know.

Do I believe in Evolution or Creationism? I believe in BOTH.

"Remember, the greatest and most amazing thing about this Universe is being in the mystery." - Dr. Alan Wolf (from what the bleep do we know? )

And if you'd like to call this never-ending mystery "GOD", then add this to your definition too.

Last but not least, a cool interview with Deepak (wait till 1:26). Please watch this!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NnETVXKkvNU

thanks

Embarassed

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:45 pm

Atheists do not worship science. It's stupid to call science a religion or the religion of atheists.

You really need to stop messing with Deepak Chopra and Fred Alan Wolf. They're kooky.

Newbie Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 12

lol....Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are the kooky ones my friend.

Chopra, Dyer, and Tolle are the true Free Thinkers in this world. They are neither constricted by Religion or Science.

Resident Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 392

Isn't science logic? Logic and information? To have a good grasp on science and the scientific method while keeping an open and critical mind does not restrict oneself.

As for god?

If I can call anything that I want 'god' then what use is the concept of 'god'? When it all comes down to it, there is really no purpose whatsoever in calling anything god. I could call the entire universe god, but that still doesn't change anything for me whatsoever.

If god can be obfuscated in this manner, then why the hell is this concept of god necessary?

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:54 am

Chopra thinks you can do literally anything, and he uses quantum mechanics to back this up. He's a deep-fried pseudo-scientist.

And the whole point of logic is to limit. Logic is the arbiter of the possible. That it limits is a strength, not a weakness. Without limits, knowledge itself would be literally impossible.


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