Atheism as a religion

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:47 pm

Greetings.

Some Atheists do have a religion. How? Because a lot of atheists assume what someone believes because of word association.

Like just because the term "Baptist" is used one says that this word denotes a system of beliefs associated with that word. This is not true. That word has a Greek root.

Basically the Greek root of this word was used long before there was a denomination with the selected term. That's just an example.

So with that said let's deal with this subject too.

The Learned Joined: Jun 08, 2006 Posts: 104

You're incredible.

Thinker Joined: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 423

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Greetings.

Some Atheists do have a religion. How? Because a lot of atheists assume what someone believes because of word association.

Like just because the term "Baptist" is used one says that this word denotes a system of beliefs associated with that word. This is not true. That word has a Greek root.

Basically the Greek root of this word was used long before there was a denomination with the selected term. That's just an example.

So with that said let's deal with this subject too.

Oh, the old "You TOO" fallacy. Atheism is not a belief system.

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:41 pm

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Greetings.

Some Atheists do have a religion. How? Because a lot of atheists assume what someone believes because of word association.

Like just because the term "Baptist" is used one says that this word denotes a system of beliefs associated with that word. This is not true. That word has a Greek root.

Basically the Greek root of this word was used long before there was a denomination with the selected term. That's just an example.

So with that said let's deal with this subject too.

sjc wrote:

Oh, the old "You TOO" fallacy. Atheism is not a belief system.

Aspasmos (Greetings),

I know you all keep ignoring the sheer fact that I still hold that "God" is not real. Theos are who we are and who the beings who made us are. Just like someone on here said some Atheists believe that we were created by so called Aliens (Theos). I hold this "belief". And you can go on this forum and see how Atheists have said they believe.

So let the record show that I believe humans were created by Aliens that I call Theos.

The Learned Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 110

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Greetings.

Some Atheists do have a religion. How? Because a lot of atheists assume what someone believes because of word association.

Describe the religion of "some atheists." Since some Buddhists are atheists, and Buddhism is held by many to be a religion (as opposed to a philosophy or whatever), perhaps that could be your argument. But what does that have to do with Atheism? Define "Religion." Religion could arguably be defined in such a way as to make atheists, by definition, NOT religious (i.e., Religion=a system of beliefs organized around faith in a supernatural world). Belief in Aliens I don't think constitutes a religious belief anymore than belief in microbes, even if Earth was seeded by these aliens.

Confident Learner Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 99

In commercial media, if you say something twelve times in an hour, you have successfully planted in the mind of the listener a specific association. This is why the same commercials are played over and over, and why the same song is often played repeatedly.

Christians in particular have made vain attempts to use this fact against atheists. It is common practice to announce that you have to believe in god in order to not believe in god. Despite the extreme lack of credulity that is inherent in this statement, it holds mass appeal in among Christians.

It doesn't work, of course. Atheists are, in general, more intellectual then any religious person. Thus, they tend to actually think about what was said. Thus, a stupid commercial about a product might continue to cause a Christian to buy it anyway, but not the atheist. And incredulous statements regarding belief and nonbelief are not likely to be thought of as factual.

It isn't that some atheists have decided that atheism is a religion based upon statements by religious zealots. Some atheists appearantly want to produce atheism as a religion in order to gain those things that religions get, such as tax breaks. Others seem to be trying to show atheism as a religion in order to make it more appealing to those who follow religion, thus allowing the deluded to "switch" religions and be "converted".

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:15 am

Wow, it is fascinating to hear from some one who understands all language based on the originals. Do you speak Sumerian? I just don’t see how we can get by in our day to day lives not knowing as much as you.

SO, intelligent aliens created us, or more like panspermia? Did all life come to this planet as simple microbes and evolve here?

If intelligent aliens created us as we are, please explain to us about the common broken genes we share with the great apes, also give us a run down on retrovirus insertions we share with higher mammals and explain why we are over 98% genetically the same as chimpanzees.

Or ignore this post like all the others I have posted to you because you are dense and refuse respond to posts that do not share your views.

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:20 am

Atheism is not a religion any more than A-unicornism is.

lack of belief in something is not a religion.

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:29 am

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Greetings.

Some Atheists do have a religion. How? Because a lot of atheists assume what someone believes because of word association.

Like just because the term "Baptist" is used one says that this word denotes a system of beliefs associated with that word. This is not true. That word has a Greek root.

Basically the Greek root of this word was used long before there was a denomination with the selected term. That's just an example.

So with that said let's deal with this subject too.

You're (predictably) misusing the word 'religion.' Now I get the impression that you are in the process of losing your faith these days yourself, but many people, especially believers, like to cast the net of religion so broadly that everybody has a religion in some sense. Here, you seem to be saying that anyone who assumes anything is guilty of being religious. Ridiculous....

The problem with this way of semanticizing is that once you open the word to so broad a use, it becomes useless because it can no longer be used to destinguish someone who is religious from someone who isn't. All you have done is made the word 'religion' useless.

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:36 am

baddogma wrote:

SO, intelligent aliens created us, or more like panspermia? Did all life come to this planet as simple microbes and evolve here?

Maybe the OP is referring to [url=http://www.biocosm.org/] the "Selfish Biocosm" hypothesis [/url]?

Resident Joined: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 372 Location: Canada

A religion can have an atheist doctrine.....but atheism isn't a religion.

As some have pointed out, some Buddhists can be considered atheist. Some would define atheism to exclude them, and that would be a valid debate.

However:

Quote:

Some Atheists do have a religion. How? Because a lot of atheists assume what someone believes because of word association.

Makes no sense. It doesn't answer why some atheists can have a religion. Furthermore, this failing is one that is more common in theists then atheists. Though it is common in both, since it is a human trait.

Baptists, refers to a group of xtians. Thus Baptists believe in Jesus. (Otherwise they wouldn't be xtians.) It doesn't matter what the root of the word is.

Now if you wanted to start a Baptist sect that thinks Jesus is an alien or something, fine, but ppl are still justified in thinking that the word Baptist refers to the main stream as long as you are just a small sect.

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:08 pm

Atheism is a "religion" as much as baldness is a "hair color".

Anton Batey

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:38 pm

AntJ313 wrote:

Atheism is a "religion" as much as baldness is a "hair color".

Anton Batey

That's your perception. Perception is not truth though. Atheism is the belief that there is no "God". So how can this not be a religion? Let's put it this way:

If you, personally, do not believe any text such as the Bible, Quran, Book of the Dead, Gilgamesh Epics, Bagavad Ghita, etc etc are correct or based on facts then this leads one to believe there is no "God" (or who we mistakenly called God). To lay it all out there, basically and Atheist is a major skeptic, not believing in any existence of a high power no matter what name you give this being, entity, or force.

How is this not a belief? Skeptism is not scientific. It's opinionated belief just as much as those who create religions such as L. Ron Hubbard, Elijah Muhammad, George Baker, Joseph Smith, Noble Drew Ali, Eddy Baker, etc etc.

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:42 pm

Leszek wrote:

A religion can have an atheist doctrine.....but atheism isn't a religion.

As some have pointed out, some Buddhists can be considered atheist. Some would define atheism to exclude them, and that would be a valid debate.

You talk about me and my statements. That's a countradiction. If a religion can have an atheist doctrine you are admitting that there is such thing as atheist doctrine. Doctrine means "teachings". Atheism is the belief that there is no God. Key word is "belief". How can one be a Buddhists atheist and then have other atheists exclude them? Sounds like some atheists have a "God" complex even though they do not believe in "God".

Note: When I say "God complex" I'm speaking of that spook God you think all christians worship (all christians do not worship an inmaterial God).

Resident Joined: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 372 Location: Canada

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Leszek wrote:

A religion can have an atheist doctrine.....but atheism isn't a religion.

As some have pointed out, some Buddhists can be considered atheist. Some would define atheism to exclude them, and that would be a valid debate.

You talk about me and my statements. That's a countradiction. If a religion can have an atheist doctrine you are admitting that there is such thing as atheist doctrine. Doctrine means "teachings". Atheism is the belief that there is no God. Key word is "belief". How can one be a Buddhists atheist and then have other atheists exclude them? Sounds like some atheists have a "God" complex even though they do not believe in "God".

Note: When I say "God complex" I'm speaking of that spook God you think all christians worship (all christians do not worship an inmaterial God).

Atheism is the lack of belief in a God. It isn't a belief there is not a God. There is a subtle but important difference.

I didn't say atheism has doctrine, I said a religion can have an atheist doctrine, as in a religion might lack a belief in a God. Like some kinds of Buddhism.

It isn't complicated, why can't you get it.


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