Another newbie checking in. So what's with the "klingon" script in the background?
I'm an agnostic / atheist. This is the best site I've seen yet for advancing "nontheistic" views, kudos to IG! Donations to follow. Some observations.....
Life is accidental, death is certain.
Never condemn one for doing evil, if you always praise one for doing good, for these are relative truths.
Life may be a farse, but doesn't have to be boring.
Liberal progressivism is just a religion without a god
. God is make believe (although I find myself praying at times).
Thieves can teach us profound truths about human nature.
If I had pushed more kids down into the mud on the playground, by now I'd be a self-made millionaire today.
Capitalism and Christianity have been wreaking havoc on western civilization for centuries. American values are finishing the job.
Basically, I'd like to call myself a rationalist, but I have a lot to learn. Can anyone truly lead a life without believing something spiritual or metaphysical? I don't think so. We're either wired this way, or physics tells only part of the story.
Please respond, and I'll be in touch.
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Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:52 am
am242 wrote:
Greetings to All!
Another newbie checking in. So what's with the "klingon" script in the background?
I'm an agnostic / atheist. This is the best site I've seen yet for advancing "nontheistic" views, kudos to IG! Donations to follow. Some observations.....
Life is accidental, death is certain.
Never condemn one for doing evil, if you always praise one for doing good, for these are relative truths.
Life may be a farse, but doesn't have to be boring.
Liberal progressivism is just a religion without a god
. God is make believe (although I find myself praying at times).
Thieves can teach us profound truths about human nature.
If I had pushed more kids down into the mud on the playground, by now I'd be a self-made millionaire today.
Capitalism and Christianity have been wreaking havoc on western civilization for centuries. American values are finishing the job.
Basically, I'd like to call myself a rationalist, but I have a lot to learn. Can anyone truly lead a life without believing something spiritual or metaphysical? I don't think so. We're either wired this way, or physics tells only part of the story.
Please respond, and I'll be in touch.
If you're going to demonize liberalism, you may as well be a christian...
am242 Newbie
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Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:45 am
Liberals tout moral relativism until their own tenets come under attack. Then they turn into absolutists and reactionaries. Social and environmental policies over the last half century have been based less on good science and more on fear individualism and competition. Liberalism has its merits, but it is a religion. Conservatism can also be viewed as a religion too, I myself am a moderate.
am242 Newbie
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Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:15 am
btw, kmisho, this is not DU.
kmisho Grand Poster
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Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:45 am
am242 wrote:
Liberals tout moral relativism until their own tenets come under attack. Then they turn into absolutists and reactionaries. Social and environmental policies over the last half century have been based less on good science and more on fear individualism and competition. Liberalism has its merits, but it is a religion. Conservatism can also be viewed as a religion too, I myself am a moderate.
ALL liberals are like this? You speak in absolutes that don't exist. One can be an extremist at anything, even at being a moderate. If being a moderate is middle between conservatism and liberalism and those are religions, then you follow 2 incompatible religions.
Your off-the-cuff remarks are too easily dismantled. I don't even accept the remarks I made as correctly reflecting your views. They are a rheotrical response to your poorly-thought-out over-simplificiations. I don't like to argue with people at such a low level. But I could not let pass your demonization by stereotype.
am242 Newbie
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Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:07 am
kmisho wrote:
ALL liberals are like this? You speak in absolutes that don't exist. One can be an extremist at anything, even at being a moderate. If being a moderate is middle between conservatism and liberalism and those are religions, then you follow 2 incompatible religions.
No, not all liberals are like that. But not all those who see the unqualified dogma espoused by many liberals for what it is are would-be Christians. My point was that I view these ideologies more as religions and their followers as provincial as fundamentalists. Many environmentalists sound to me like many on the evangelical right. People from these groups base their worldviews on how they wish the world would be instead of on sound scientific investigation. Climatologists line up on both sides of the climate change debate. Yet, the loudest environmentalists want us to believe that we can give up dependency on fossil fuels tomorrow and pay any price for clean energy sources. Many of them oppose all nuclear energy, without considering safe reactor types. They ignore progress made in cleaner drilling technologies, and sue to get court injunctions to end all exploration indefinately. That was my point.
kmisho wrote:
Your off-the-cuff remarks are too easily dismantled. I don't even accept the remarks I made as correctly reflecting your views. They are a rheotrical response to your poorly-thought-out over-simplificiations. I don't like to argue with people at such a low level. But I could not let pass your demonization by stereotype.
Huh? We don't know each other, I wasn't even attacking you or your views. Why are you insulting me? I'm happy you responded, though, I did not mean to demonize by stereotype. I was pointing out a similiarity I thought was obvious to more thoughtful people.
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