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Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:16 am
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Let's have a little intelligence test. Which one of these things does not belong?:
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science, math, logic, atheism, agnosticism, and scripture.
OOH oh oooh oh...pick me!
CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP Newbie First Class
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Location: TOLEDO, OHIO
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:24 am
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Address my post about retrovirus insertions and broken Genes. That SOUNDLY defeats your alien theory.
Viruses are the result of mutations, and so are broken Genes.
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Mutations
Mutation Rates and Outcomes: The mutation rates of DNA viruses approximate those of eukaryotic cells, yielding in theory one mutant virus in several hundred to many thousand genome copies. RNA viruses have much higher mutation rates, perhaps one mutation per virus genome copy. Mutations can be deleterious, neutral, or occasionally favorable. Only mutations that do not interfere with essential virus functions can persist in a virus population.
Phenotypic Variation by Mutations: Mutations can produce viruses with new antigenic determinants. The appearance of an antigenically novel virus through mutation is called antigenic drift. Antigenically altered viruses may be able to cause disease in previously resistant or immune hosts.
Vaccine Strains from Mutations: Mutations can produce viruses with a reduced pathogenicity, altered host range, or altered target cell specificity but with intact antigenicity. Such viruses can sometimes be used as vaccine strains.
Sir if viruses in DNA can mutate, then so can DNA itself. Through atmosphere changes and constant changes in the Earth over time things happened to the beings that Theos planted here on earth. The mutations of we who are so called humans had nothing to do with how Theos originally created us.
baddogma Grand Poster
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:30 am
Nice cut and paste.
Was all life put here or just humans?
lets take this step by step.
kmisho Grand Poster
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Posts: 1678
Location: Richmond, Virginia USA
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:32 am
OK. WEAR DID TE HOS CUM FR8M???????????????????????????
CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP Newbie First Class
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Location: TOLEDO, OHIO
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:33 am
baddogma wrote:
Nice cut and paste.
Was all life put here or just humans?
lets take this step by step.
All life was put here. It's just that new species came about through different mutations over time.
Leszek Resident
Joined: Jan 31, 2005
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:37 am
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Sir if viruses in DNA can mutate, then so can DNA itself.
DNA mutates. We know this. This fact isn't in dispute. However that sentence as a whole makes no sense.
Retroviruses are an example of common descent. They contain effectively random code that is placed randomly in the genome. The odds of two creatures having the same retrovirus code in the same place is vanishing if they are not related. But it happens over and over again multiple times.
Broken genes are also evidence of common descent. For example Humans have a broken gene for making vitamin C. So do chimps and Gorillas. But most other mammals have a working gene here. Mutations are random, so the odds of animals having the same mutation by chance is vanishing. But Humans, Chimps, and Gorillas do. But here is the thing, guinea pigs have a broken vitamin C gene as well. If THEY had the same mistake it would prove evolution wrong in one blow. But it turns out they have a different mistake.
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Through atmosphere changes and constant changes in the Earth over time things happened to the beings that Theos planted here on earth. The mutations of we who are so called humans had nothing to do with how Theos originally created us.
So you missed the point.
I don't know what your evidence is, or what you were talking about before those examples were put forth but either:
1) They are good examples and you failed to understand and respond to them.
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2) They are not relavent to your point, and you still failed to understand and respond to them.
Either way you lose.
kmisho Grand Poster
Joined: Dec 06, 2005
Posts: 1678
Location: Richmond, Virginia USA
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:38 am
CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:
baddogma wrote:
Nice cut and paste.
Was all life put here or just humans?
lets take this step by step.
All life was put here. It's just that new species came about through different mutations over time.
Time for public shunning
zxcvcxz The Learned
Joined: Jun 08, 2006
Posts: 104
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:18 am
Dude. Do you even ignore what you write yourself?
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Mr_C Intern
Joined: Jun 27, 2006
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:27 am
zxcvcxz wrote:
Dude. Do you even ignore what you write yourself?
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Quoted for truth.
CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP,
Please respond to this, I'm really curious. Where did Theos come from? Or in English, where did the Aliens come from?
CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP Newbie First Class
Joined: Nov 27, 2006
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Location: TOLEDO, OHIO
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:15 am
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Dude. Do you even ignore what you write yourself?
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These are two different quotes. The first one is about one species becoming another (implying that apes became human, which I reject). The second one is about new species coming into existence (not a species changing into a totally different species in it's physiology). So yes I do know what I have written. You're grasping at straws my friend.
CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP Newbie First Class
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:20 am
Mr_C wrote:
Please respond to this, I'm really curious. Where did Theos come from? Or in English, where did the Aliens come from?
Theos were self created. Theos also, after self creation, became humans unlike Adam and Eve.
baddogma Grand Poster
Joined: Feb 02, 2006
Posts: 1749
Location: Colorado
Posted:
Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:06 am
All life was
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put here. It's just that new species came about through different mutations over time.
FANTASTIC!
Now, were we put here as humans or as lesser mammals?
Were apes put here as lesser mammals?
Did humans evolve from lower apes?
Did Apes evolve from lower monkies?
baddogma Grand Poster
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Posts: 1749
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:15 am
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These are two different quotes. The first one is about one species becoming another (implying that apes became human, which I reject). The second one is about new species coming into existence (not a species changing into a totally different species in it's physiology). So yes I do know what I have written. You're grasping at straws my friend.
So these new species come from nothing? Created from thin air? If not they had to come from a prior species.
I don't think he is grasping at straws, you have not demonstrated even the slightest knowledge of evolution on the forums.
You have stated that if men come from Monkies why are there still monkies? If men are evolving why haven't we evolved into something else. and several other ignorent statements the prove you have no idea what evolution is.
For you to reject that we come from apes means nothing to those that understand what evolution really states.
How can anything self create? that is an imposibility.
(I'll bet he doesn't reply to these points)
kmisho Grand Poster
Joined: Dec 06, 2005
Posts: 1678
Location: Richmond, Virginia USA
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:36 pm
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Dude. Do you even ignore what you write yourself?
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These are two different quotes. The first one is about one species becoming another (implying that apes became human, which I reject). The second one is about new species coming into existence (not a species changing into a totally different species in it's physiology). So yes I do know what I have written. You're grasping at straws my friend.
Humans ARE apes. If you knew anything about apes you would find this hard to deny based on the vitually limitless similarities.
Go to a zoo and sit and watch a group of gorillas for a long time. How many things about them are different from us? You should not even bother to answer this question until you have done as I suggest.
zxcvcxz The Learned
Joined: Jun 08, 2006
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:16 pm
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These are two different quotes
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The first one is about one species becoming another (implying that apes became human, which I reject). The second one is about new species coming into existence (not a species changing into a totally different species in it's physiology). So yes I do know what I have written. You're grasping at straws my friend.
Dur they're different quotes. That's why I brought them up...
You're saying "Things can't possibly become other species," and "Mutating DNA gives you new species."
You make the point that something could never happen yet assert the mechanism for that same thing happening... which you don't belief can happen.
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