Is Worship Totally unnecessary

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 843

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Mr_C wrote:

Please respond to this, I'm really curious. Where did Theos come from? Or in English, where did the Aliens come from?

Theos were self created. Theos also, after self creation, became humans unlike Adam and Eve.

uhh..... theos creating it self is a logical fallacy. everything has to come from somewhere, just because one beleives that a being can self-create it self, doesnt mean that it does. do you have any proof that somehting can self-create?

btw adam and eve didnt exactly exist....sorry

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:46 am

Kelreth wrote:

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Mr_C wrote:

Please respond to this, I'm really curious. Where did Theos come from? Or in English, where did the Aliens come from?

Theos were self created. Theos also, after self creation, became humans unlike Adam and Eve.

uhh..... theos creating it self is a logical fallacy. everything has to come from somewhere, just because one beleives that a being can self-create it self, doesnt mean that it does. do you have any proof that somehting can self-create?

btw adam and eve didnt exactly exist....sorry

Self-creation is such an obvious absurdity it hardly deserves an answer. If I don't exist, what do I use to build me with?
I'm wondering if this guy is another Zachariah Sitchin nutball. If not, he is getting his information from someone who is.
If you have half a brain, here is the antidote .

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:32 am

Great, Kmisho! I had never heard of that nutjob before! INTERESTING reading!

Hey, CENTEROFBAPTISTNUTJOBS:

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:56 am

whoa... this stuff is way too far out fer me.

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:12 am

kmisho wrote:

Self-creation is such an obvious absurdity it hardly deserves an answer. If I don't exist, what do I use to build me with?
I'm wondering if this guy is another Zachariah Sitchin nutball. If not, he is getting his information from someone who is.
If you have half a brain, here is the antidote .

First of all I do not follow Stichin (I'm well aware of what he taught). I am following what the true translations of Elohiym, and Theos (among other words for this so called "God") mean. I only accept the Bible as scripture. That's it. Not Sumerian text, not Egyptian text, not any other text. Just the Bible. Do you follow that? Hardly the theological teachings of Stichin.

Did you do your own research instead of going to a skeptic's website? I doubt it. I've already seen that and other skeptic websites. I look into their research and find flaws. Why? Well this is the definition of Elohiym from Genesis 1:1:

Elohiym (Strong's 430):

1) (plural)

a) rulers, judges

b) divine ones

c) angels

d) gods

2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)

a) god, goddess

b) godlike one

c) works or special possessions of God

d) the (true) God

e) God

Reference: http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?book=Gen&chapter=1&verse=1&strongs=0430&page=
Since the word "God" is already the mis-translation of Genesis 1:1 we have to totally reject that as a definition of Elohiym. Yet even if we didn't here is what "God" means:

Pronunciation: 'gäd also 'god
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German got god
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler

The word "God" is being defined theologically. It's based on people's thoughts of "God" and what "He" is. That's not a definition of a word. Definition is based on linguistics and etomology. Not your feelings.

I am using the word "Alien" to denote a being beyond the planet that is NOT a spirit. So let's make this clear. I'm not talking about green little men, or what some call greys (grey little men with big eyes). They look like us basically (Genesis 1:26).

Also the word "Elohiym" cannot be singlular. The root is "El" and "Elleh".

The only singular form is El. And that word means: to ascend, or descend.

Now let's get the subject of self creation:

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

1 John 1:5

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

That's how I know God created himself. He started off as an Atom of life. He was not always a man. He became a man when we find ourselves in Genesis 1.

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:51 am

Wow, more crap from another dictionary. I'm convinced. Debate over. Great job, dude. Say "hi" to the aliens for me.

Oh, wait, nevermind. You haven't actually addressed anybody's points. You keep going around and around in circles, without DIRECTLY ADDRESSING ANYBODY'S POINTS. Providing dictionary definitions of words does not, nor will it ever, qualify as an argument.

And by the way, your dictionary definition contradicts your argument since two of the definitions are "God". You claim that this is a mis-translation and just pick the part of the definition that you FEEL is correct. Somebody told me once, that "Definition is based on linguistics and etomology. Not your feelings".

On another note, you completely ignore ALL the logical fallacies and go back to "I believe..." and "I accept...". All based on what? That the bible is scripture? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Why would you consider it sacred? Given your definition for God, it contradicts itself thousands of times. How do you accomplish this type of mental gymnastics? It must be exhausting to try to believe this crap.

Think about this:

If the aliens self-created, why can't we self-create? Demonstrate self-creation. Does one simply appear and then go, "Wow. I exist now and didn't a second ago. I must have done that!"? I don't think so. If you or I suddenly came into existence, we would probably wonder how the hell that happened.

If the aliens told you that they self-created, they are either misinformed or lying.

If the aliens gave us the bible, then why don't they still speak to us?

If the aliens can break all kinds of laws of logic, physics, etc in order to exist, then why do these laws still exist?

Why do we have to speak dead languages and do all sorts of mental gymnastics in order to even conjure up the idea of these aliens? Honestly. Andy how is it that the aliens were able to travel faster than the speed of light to get here? The distance from wherever to earth must certainly be at minimum several hundred light years away, and probably thousands or millions! Unless these aliens are immortal, they would have died trying to get here!

Immortal self-created aliens. Sheesh. What won't the bible bring us next?

The Learned Joined: Jun 08, 2006 Posts: 104

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Now let's get the subject of self creation:

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

1 John 1:5

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

That's how I know God created himself. He started off as an Atom of life. He was not always a man. He became a man when we find ourselves in Genesis 1.

God was an atom. This god atom was alive. God atom turned into a man when man found man.

Also, how in hell does all that you quoted have anything to do with self creation? I don't see a connection.

The Learned Joined: Jun 08, 2006 Posts: 104

Wait...
Is this a joke?

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:24 am

zxcvcxz wrote:

Wait...
Is this a joke?

yeah all of it is a joke. i know that no one can prove the bible. i just choose to believe it. the bible is illogical at best. i still believe in a spiritual realm, a heaven, a hell, and that christ is coming back.

I pretty much believe in what this guy named Eddie L. Long preaches and teaches

Source: www.newbirth.org

The only things he teach I am against is his misguided teachings on sexual orientation and tithing. Other than that I agree with him.

You have to want to believe in the bible. No one can prove the bible is true. So I can at least admit that.

I'll just debate on non religious things if that is alright with you all.

The Learned Joined: Jun 08, 2006 Posts: 104

Sure-

I don't think anyone really has any real problems with you believing in whatever.. or having misconceptions. You just can't come in here and be stubbornly bound to your misconceptions when people try to show you your errors. Otherwise, debate your brains out..

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:24 pm

zxcvcxz wrote:

Sure-

I don't think anyone really has any real problems with you believing in whatever.. or having misconceptions. You just can't come in here and be stubbornly bound to your misconceptions when people try to show you your errors. Otherwise, debate your brains out..

You're right. And I admit belief makes no sense by the way too. I'm about to start another topic on Agnosticism Vs. Atheism

The Learned Joined: Jun 08, 2006 Posts: 104

You're really confusing.. but cool. I guess it keeps us on our toes around here.

Good times.

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:43 pm

See, I think that underneath all this rationalization of irrational beliefs, there lies a very reasonable person just DYING to get out.

That's why I keep responding to your posts, COBW. I have seen you respond positively to logic and reason before. You reverted back to blind faith and irrational beliefs, but I see you coming around again. It's a struggle. I know it is. I was there.

Best of luck, sir. Hopefully we can one day adress each other as "friend". Until then, I'll try to help you when I can and refrain from cursing you when I get frustrated with the BS. Fair enough?

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:05 pm

Mr_C wrote:

See, I think that underneath all this rationalization of irrational beliefs, there lies a very reasonable person just DYING to get out.

That's why I keep responding to your posts, COBW. I have seen you respond positively to logic and reason before. You reverted back to blind faith and irrational beliefs, but I see you coming around again. It's a struggle. I know it is. I was there.

Best of luck, sir. Hopefully we can one day adress each other as "friend". Until then, I'll try to help you when I can and refrain from cursing you when I get frustrated with the BS. Fair enough?

Fair enough.

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:14 pm

CENTEROFBAPTISTWORSHIP wrote:

Mr_C wrote:

See, I think that underneath all this rationalization of irrational beliefs, there lies a very reasonable person just DYING to get out.

That's why I keep responding to your posts, COBW. I have seen you respond positively to logic and reason before. You reverted back to blind faith and irrational beliefs, but I see you coming around again. It's a struggle. I know it is. I was there.

Best of luck, sir. Hopefully we can one day adress each other as "friend". Until then, I'll try to help you when I can and refrain from cursing you when I get frustrated with the BS. Fair enough?

Fair enough.

Cool.
Hey, are you editing your website(s) or something? I keep getting an error when I try to visit nationofholiness.org or centerofbaptistworship.org. I was trying to see if you had updated them at all.


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