Quran; Creation of Earth and the Heavens

Confident Learner Joined: Sep 02, 2010 Posts: 67

I don’t know how many of you guys would be even interested in what the Quran says or how contradictory it is, but I decided since the Islam section is pretty much dead, I would throw some of these matters in to it. Wink

MuhammadintheQuran wrote:

3:190 (Picktall) Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His sovereignty) for men of understanding.

Let us see what Allah (muhammad) says about creation of the Heavens and Earth, and see how he describes the reasons of the differences of night and day. First in this thread, let’s take a look at creation of the Heavens and Earth.

MuhammadintheQuran wrote:

7:54 (Picktall) Lo! Your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six Days,
10:3 (Picktall) Lo! Your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days,
25:59 (Picktall) (Allah) who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six Days,
50:38 (Picktall) and verily we created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days,

So, Muhammad established that Allah created the Heavens and the Earth in six days, from hadith you will find that Muhammad is talking about six week days, but modern Muslims insist that by “day” it is talking about aeons or ages or long periods of time. Ok, but we need more clarification on how those “long periods of time” were divided among creating the Heavens and Earth.

MuhammadintheQuran wrote:

41:9 (Picktall) Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days,

Muhammad here clarifies that out of those six days TWO were spent creating the earth, so, that’s two “long periods of time”, now what about the other four.

MuhammadintheQuran wrote:

41:10 (Picktall) He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;

Another four days or “long periods of time” was spent on the needs of Earth, like Mountains and the other entire Earth blessings that we enjoy with all its measurements. But here, there is a problem, if you add up the two days of creating Earth with the four days constructing its needs you’ll end up with six days, what about the Heavens?, six days was spent on creating both, Heavens and Earth, not just Earth as apparent from the above verses. And that’s when Muslims rush in to explain; that the four days spent on constructing the earth actually include the two days creating Erath, so we have four days all together. Ok, what next;

MuhammadintheQuran wrote:

41:11 (Picktall) Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.

So, then after completing Earth, Allah turns to the Heavens or the Universe, but we know now that the Universe existed before the Earth. Doesn’t Allah know what he created first? Anyway..., how many “long periods of time” was spent on the Heavens?

MuhammadintheQuran wrote:

41:12 (Picktall) Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and we decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.

Here is the contradiction, in two days or “long periods of time”, seven Heavens were created, with all its stars. It took longer to create Earth than the entire seven Heavens, four days for Earth and its needs, two days for seven Heavens and its needs, what?. Worse than this, apparently Muhammad thought there must be other living beings in the Heavens. He claims there are seven heavens, and of Earth just like it.

MuhammadintheQuran wrote:

65:12 (Picktall) Allah it is who hath created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof. The commandment cometh down among them slowly,

Allah has created seven Heavens and of Earth just like them, meaning there are seven Earths contained in the Heavens, one in each. So, all of this was created in six days or “six long periods of time” but in the first Heaven’s Earth, He spent four days completing Earth and spent two days for the rest of the other six Heavens and Earths.

Hypothetically if the other six Earths are the same as ours, meaning containing life, they would need all the needs we have, and apparently Allah took him four days to complete our Earthly needs, so do the math, its seven Earths times four days plus two days creating each Earth’s Heaven, which is another seven times two, which equals to 42 days. But Allah in six days created everything or at least he says so according to Muhammad, but he had to spend four days on our planet Earth alone and the rest of the seven Heavens and all that it contains in two days?? Confusing much? Rolling Eyes

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In science it is estimated that the universe’s age is approximately 13.75 billion years and the Earth is only four billion years, so obviously the
universe existed before our planet, not the other way around as Muhammad suggests, and in science the universe is far more complicated than the Earth, and its vastness can’t be even compared to Earth, so it is ridicules to suggest that Earth would require more time then the universe to be constructed.what do you think about all this nonesense in the Quran?

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:02 pm

Kurdy, thanks for the insight into 'Genesis, Q'ran style' Smile

Interesting... you point out how the earth was created before the universe. Well that's exactly how I would think if I were of that time!

Even looking at the best thinking of the day, you get thinkers who understood the planet was spherical and were able to prove it! But that does not give you much when trying to understand how everthing got to be like it is!

Also the earth centred view of the cosmos would dictate that the stuff you know about (the earth) would take longer to create that the stuff you don't know about (points of light in the sky) which most ancient people interpreted using astrology.

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:00 am

iPondR wrote:

Interesting... you point out how the earth was created before the universe. Well that's exactly how I would think if I were of that time!

Not only that, but he said the earth took two days, while the entire universe (does the math) only took four! Crazy, fun stuff like most religious myth Very Happy

Confident Learner Joined: Sep 02, 2010 Posts: 67

MockingGods wrote:

iPondR wrote:

Interesting... you point out how the earth was created before the universe. Well that's exactly how I would think if I were of that time!

Not only that, but he said the earth took two days, while the entire universe (does the math) only took four! Crazy, fun stuff like most religious myth Very Happy

iPondR, you are right, it is Genesis, Quran style, nothing more.

MG, Muhammad actually wrote that the Earth took 4 days, while the entire universe took 2 days, but I'm guessing that it is just typo from you

thanks for the respond guys


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