Are we the Gods of the Bible?

Post Noob Joined: Jul 21, 2006 Posts: 58

Question: Are we the Gods of the Bible?

I am going to finally reveal how I see the Bible based on it's original language. I will debate about this too. I'm going to start off with Exodus 7:1. I can translate the Bible myself too since I already see myself and every other human beings as an Elohiym anyway. That's my explaination for us being able to interpret the Bible.

Exodus 7:1 (With Aramic Hebrew Inserts)

Yehovah "Self Existent One" Amar "Spoke" Mosheh "Drawn Out" Ra'ah "Saw" Nathan "Made" Elohiym "Beings High Above" Par`oh "Great House" Aharown "Light Bringer" Ach "Brother" Nabiy "Speaker".

Reference: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1164136490-7873.html#1

Exodus 7:1 (Nation of Holiness Translation)

[The] Self Existent One Spoke [To] Moshe, Saw [And] Made [Him An] "Elohiym" Being High Above [To] Pharoah. Aharown [His] Brother [Was His] Speaker.

Exodus 7:1 (King James Version)

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

The fact that they make "god" a lowercase in the Bible means nothing because in Aramic Hebrew that word is usually Elohiym. That word's meaning can only be found out by finding out what "El" means and then what "Elleh" means. The website I gave can help with this discovery.

The word "God" is inaccurate. Here is the Etymology of "God" according to the Merriam Webster's dictionary:

Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German got

Reference: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/god

www.nationofholiness.org

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:51 am

Your translation of Yahveh as "self-existent one" is pure balderdash. A more direct translation is simply "I am." But we all ARE, everything IS. Your personal attraction to the phrase "self-existent" reveals the extent to which you have been duped by 20th century appologists.

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:13 am

Are the Elohiym mortal?

If so, why would god/s be concerned with the flesh?

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:48 am

Dude. Nationofholiness. You're reaching.

Post Noob Joined: Jul 21, 2006 Posts: 58

kmisho wrote:

Your translation of Yahevah as "self-existent one" is pure balderdash. A more direct translation is simply "I am." But we all ARE, everything IS. Your personal attraction to the phrase "self-existent" reveals the extent to which you have been duped by 20th century appologists.

Incorrect! Self-Existent is not some supernatural spookism the ways most Christians see it. That's why I'm not a Christian. I take on the title Baptist. And if you want to know why I will explain it.

Right now I am existing by myself. I am here in my apartment as a "Self-Existent" being. Do you follow? So what in the world are you talking about? I'm Yahevah based on how I see that. Do you get it now? Self Existent is like a deep way of saying "Alone". I guess I should have said that instead. But I went with the translation found in the Aramic Hebrew.

While I am at it let me tell you how I view the theological term: supernatural. Super is just something that means: "Great". Natural means: From the Earth or Nature itself. Do you follow that? Christians need to stop spooking people out. We are the so called Gods in the Bible. We are Elohiym and or Theos.

www.nationofholiness.org

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:35 am

Quote:

I'm Yehveh based on how I see that. Do you get it now?

Are you the son of man?

Post Noob Joined: Jul 21, 2006 Posts: 58

baddogma wrote:

Are the Elohiym mortal?

If so, why would god/s be concerned with the flesh?

We are Elohiym. So yes they are mortal.

Post Noob Joined: Jul 21, 2006 Posts: 58

NATION OF HOLINESS wrote:

I'm Yehveh based on how I see that. Do you get it now?

baddogma wrote:

Are you the son of man?

What do you mean by this question? Be more specific because people are calling themselves the "Son of Man" without proper knowledge of this term.

www.nationofholiness.org

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:45 am

I guess i am just confused at how you can believe this, call yourself a Baptist and believe in the bible. It seems like you are reaching.

Maybe you can clear things up for us.

You believe Jesus is the savior correct?

If so was he elohiym too?

Did we as elohiym create the Universe?

How can god /s be mortal?

Please tell us how you claim the title Baptist, as none of the baptists I know believe this way.

The Learned Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 110

NATIONOFHOLINESS wrote:

While I am at it let me tell you how I view the theological term: supernatural. Super is just something that means: "Great". Natural means: From the Earth or Nature itself. Do you follow that? Christians need to stop spooking people out. We are the so called Gods in the Bible. We are Elohiym and or Theos.

www.nationofholiness.org

What are you getting at here? Super-, as a prefix as opposed to a word, does not mean "great," but above, or higher in quality, or something along those lines (look it up in the OED or something). The idea of "great-earth" or "great-nature" doesn't seem to mean much (perhaps you could explain it). "Above-nature" or "higher than-nature" means exactly what "supernatural" means, incidentally.

And, do I follow you that you are a Baptist, but not a christian?

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:55 am

Supernatural means OUTSIDE of the natural. Non-natural.

For NOTHING within Nature is supernatural.

Who created elohiym?

Post Noob Joined: Jul 21, 2006 Posts: 58

baddogma wrote:

I guess i am just confused at how you can believe this, call yourself a Baptist and believe in the bible. It seems like you are reaching.

No I'm not reaching. What does this say:

Exodus 15:3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.

We are human beings. We are "man" kind (male and female). Yet this is saying Yehovah is a man of war. So again how am I reaching?

baddogma wrote:

Maybe you can clear things up for us.

I just did. I keep trying to but when I prove my point it's always seen negative.

baddogma wrote:

You believe Jesus is the savior correct?

Here is the MEANING of "Jesus" in Greek:

Yehovah is Salvation (Strong's # 2424)
Reference: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/2/1164150677-9667.html

I accept that as the meaning of his name. He lived up to that by simply helping and or healing people. I honestly see Iesous as an archetype. According to the meaning of the name when you help someone you become Iesous.

baddogma wrote:

If so was he elohiym too?

I have his quote on my signature:

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Theos (Elohiym)?

This comes from Psalm 82:6

baddogma wrote:

Did we as elohiym create the Universe?

No. Scripture does not teach this.

baddogma wrote:

How can god /s be mortal?

Because of this:

Psalm 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

After Psalm 82:6 the next Psalm says as an Elohiym (Theos) we will die.

baddogma wrote:

Please tell us how you claim the title Baptist, as none of the baptists I know believe this way.

Because of the Greek meaning, not the denomination. I don't subscribe to the theological denomination:

Baptizo means to immerse according to strong's concordance. And Iseous came to Immerse people with fire and sacred "hagios" thought "pneuma".

Reference: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1164151146-6992.html#11

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:23 am

NATIONOFHOLINESS wrote:

kmisho wrote:

Your translation of Yahevah as "self-existent one" is pure balderdash. A more direct translation is simply "I am." But we all ARE, everything IS. Your personal attraction to the phrase "self-existent" reveals the extent to which you have been duped by 20th century appologists.

Incorrect! Self-Existent is not some supernatural spookism the ways most Christians see it. That's why I'm not a Christian. I take on the title Baptist. And if you want to know why I will explain it.

Right now I am existing by myself. I am here in my apartment as a "Self-Existent" being. Do you follow? So what in the world are you talking about? I'm Yahevah based on how I see that. Do you get it now? Self Existent is like a deep way of saying "Alone". I guess I should have said that instead. But I went with the translation found in the Aramic Hebrew.

While I am at it let me tell you how I view the theological term: supernatural. Super is just something that means: "Great". Natural means: From the Earth or Nature itself. Do you follow that? Christians need to stop spooking people out. We are the so called Gods in the Bible. We are Elohiym and or Theos.

www.nationofholiness.org

So when Jesus said "I tell you the solemn truth, before Abraham came into existence, I am!” in John 8:58, the phrase "I am" wasn't a claim to deity? You don't think it was a direct reference to Yahevah? If not, then how can you explain the crowd's reaction in John 8:59 ??

Are we really going to keep playing word games?

The whole load of garbage on "supernatural" also. "Supernatural" is NOT a "theological term". It is an English word that (IN ENGLISH) means:

1. of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to God or a deity.
3. of a superlative degree; preternatural: a missile of supernatural speed.
4. of, pertaining to, or attributed to ghosts, goblins, or other unearthly beings; eerie; occult.

So please get off your semantic high-horse and reason for one second.

Post Noob Joined: Jul 21, 2006 Posts: 58

baddogma wrote:

Supernatural means OUTSIDE of the natural. Non-natural.

For NOTHING within Nature is supernatural.

baddogma wrote:

Who created elohiym?

It's possible that beings outside of this planet of a higher intelligence created them/ us.

Here are the meanings of the word "Super" and "Natural" since supernatural is a compound word.

SUPER
Pronunciation: 'sü-p&r
Function: adjective
Etymology: super-
1 a : of high grade or quality b -- used as a generalized term of approval <a>
2 : very large or powerful <a>
3 : exhibiting the characteristics of its type to an extreme or excessive degree <super>

NATURAL
Pronunciation: 'na-ch&-r&l, 'nach-r&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French naturel, from Latin naturalis of nature, from natura nature
1 : based on an inherent sense of right and wrong <natural>
2 a : being in accordance with or determined by nature b : having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature

The Learned Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 110

What does all this say to the question of the validity of the Bible? Is god omnipotent? Am I? Omniscient too?

Since we know what a Baptist is, isn't it silly to use the word to describe yourself, and then say that it means something else? For example, I could say that I am a professional football player, but then when pressed on the matter, explain that by "professional" I mean that I used to play football in high school. You should think up a new name for yourself, or just go with the greek word itself to distinguish yourself from the average american baptist.


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