In dealing with this word logic. I believe it works against them who might try to discredit the bible. My reasoning for saying this is here===> IS IT NOT LOGICAL THAT A "GOD" CAN DO ALL THINGS? Him being God gives him that power. So when it comes to a virgin birth.
Mk 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible
SO WHERE IS THE LOGIC THAT A GOD CAN NOT PERFORM A SIMPLY ACT OF A VIRGIN BIRTH. LOGIC CALLS FOR SOME TYPE OF DIVINE INTERVENTION WHEN DEALING WITH SUCH A MIRICALE.
lmao... oh man. this made me lol irl. it's being said so serious, but it sounds like a line from a standup routine.
uh i'll say to this person to maybe drop by th "jesus christ" thread. i talk about the probability of supernaturalism a little bit there. i mean, if you're serious about what you said here... and i can tell the thread here got longer, but if this hasnt been addressed yet, i just thought i'd post a response.
CHURCHOFYINEPU Newbie
Joined: Nov 22, 2006
Posts: 11
Location: OHIO
Posted:
Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:01 pm
AntJ313 wrote:
I think I have the Jennings/Young debate on CD. Maybe I can convert it to a wav file and e-mail it to you through YouSentIt.com. You'd probably like it. Young refused to answer Jennings' question at the end of the Baptism debate. But when they spoke about the trinity, Jennings didn't explain the verses that show the Father and
Jesus
as different people. I'm surprised he didn't go to Isaiah 9:6.
About Marvin "The Son of Man" Muhammad....I think Jennings thought he'd dominate the debate like he did with Smallwood, and make an ass out of him like he did Rodney. Even though Marvin said some crazy things, Jennings never really refuted him very good. Marvin had some kind of answer for everything Jennings said. When Jennings said, "All right....all right.....this ain't goin nowhere. I'm gonna cut it here", almost everyone in the Church were looking at each other in disbelief. Marvin later challenged him to a debate at a neutral location, and Jennings never returned the call. On August 24th of this year, he got into an interesting debate with Pastor Gene Co0k. In my opinion, even though they both sounded crazy to me...objectively speaking, Marvin won the debate.
CHURCH OF YINEPU wrote:
Can you upload that file and let me know when you do because I want to hear it?
I still want the upload if that is okay? You can still use the email address I gave you or you can use the new one I have:
There is no possible demonstartion for those assertions! All that is a circular argument . The Tanakh and the Testament are unreliable.
am242 Newbie
Joined: Nov 28, 2006
Posts: 21
Location: USA
Posted:
Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:31 am
AntJ313 wrote:
Can a Christian, Muslim or Jew please give me a *clear* example of a unique prophesy coming to pass?
Answer: No, unless they can choose how to define "prophesy".
kmisho Grand Poster
Joined: Dec 06, 2005
Posts: 1678
Location: Richmond, Virginia USA
Posted:
Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:38 am
NATIONOFHOLINESS wrote:
Nation of Holiness wrote:
If Elohiym could do all things then Elohiym would have made beings that could not sin at all. Obviously Elohiym could not do that!
baddogma wrote:
What about free will?
That is the point of me saying that. If we have free will (and we do) Elohiym could not make humans that were their slaves. Elohiym had to make beings that could do what they wanted and Elohiym had to write laws (Torah) to govern the minds of us humans. We choose to follow those laws (Torah) or not.
I'm aware of this line of argument but it still makes no sense.
So Elohim was NOT free to make us without freewill? It sounds like Elohim himself lacks freewill, since he HAD to make us this way.
But if he did have a choice to give us freewill or not, it makes no sense for him to make laws for us to follow after giving us freewill because this only amounts to us being given freewill in order that we give up freewill to follow the rules. And if this is correct, Elohim gave us something he doesn't want us to have!
gietalent Newbie
Joined: Sep 13, 2005
Posts: 12
Posted:
Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:40 am
am242 wrote:
AntJ313 wrote:
Can a Christian, Muslim or Jew please give me a *clear* example of a unique prophesy coming to pass?
Answer: No, unless they can choose how to define "prophesy".
LOL.......THE ANSWER IS YES
MATHEW 24:1-2
DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE
TITUS AND HIS FATHER DESTROYED THE TEMPLE IN 70 A.D.
AND FURTHER THE MUSLIMS DESTROYED THE REST.
Kelreth Graduate Thinker
Joined: Mar 04, 2006
Posts: 843
Posted:
Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:44 am
gietalent wrote:
am242 wrote:
AntJ313 wrote:
Can a Christian, Muslim or Jew please give me a *clear* example of a unique prophesy coming to pass?
Answer: No, unless they can choose how to define "prophesy".
LOL.......THE ANSWER IS YES
MATHEW 24:1-2
DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE
TITUS AND HIS FATHER DESTROYED THE TEMPLE IN 70 A.D.
AND FURTHER THE MUSLIMS DESTROYED THE REST.
Quote:
24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
forseeing a temple being destroyed wasnt that hard of a possibility at the time. One must also remember that 70 ad is only a few years after Matthew was written. i dont have my theo notes anymore, but i recall 33ad being around the time that matthew was written i beleive. thats a scant 37 years in history, with things the way they were, its not hard for a temple to be destroyed for one reason or another.
if it were a prophecy, it would have said that the muslims from the south were going to destroy it after some romans (i think titus was roman) destroyed it
thats not as much a prophecy as some one throwing a hint to the wind and waiting for it to hit something
btw, please dont use all caps.....its rather annoying
Moloth Philosophical Prodigy
Joined: Aug 28, 2003
Posts: 3253
Location: Warner Robins, GA
Posted:
Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:41 am
Prove that there is a god.
a-theism = without belief.
a-symmetrical = without symmetry.
Do you believe in Loki, Poseidon, or Allah? no? then you are atheist towards those deities. you too are an atheist.
Anubis Grand Poster
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 2274
Posted:
Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:23 am
gietalent wrote:
Moloth wrote:
Prove that there is a god.
a-theism = without belief.
a-symmetrical = without symmetry.
Do you believe in Loki, Poseidon, or Allah? no? then you are atheist towards those deities. you too are an atheist.
I dont have to prove there is a God, but you are the one who has to prove there is no God.
You cannot prove a negative, the burdon is on the believers (Positive)
Since you say there burdon of proof is on the unbelievers, can you disprove these gods?
Better start now, or else you have to believe in all of them.
Anubis Grand Poster
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 2274
Posted:
Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:28 am
gietalent wrote:
Like Mr Finely says: "To be truly open-minded is to the accept the possibility that you may be wrong. - R. Finley, Sr.[/code]
Haha, look in the mirror.
"Oh,oh, there are not complying with me, they MUST BE CLOSE MINDED! It has to be at there end, let's luanch a passive agressive ad hom!"
and nice job quoting the bible for an argument. I have an argument too.
"Once upon a time, there was a little girl named goldielocks...
...and the evil theist digested her!" THE END.
cheapsuprise Master of Logic
Joined: Apr 26, 2004
Posts: 5325
Location: Next door.
Posted:
Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:36 am
gietalent wrote:
Moloth wrote:
Prove that there is a god.
a-theism = without belief.
a-symmetrical = without symmetry.
Do you believe in Loki, Poseidon, or Allah? no? then you are atheist towards those deities. you too are an atheist.
I dont have to prove there is a God, but you are the one who has to prove there is no God.
Sort of like how you are presumed guilty in a court of law until proven innocent right?
gietalent, it's called the
Burden of Proof.
Please Research it. I have literally seen dozens of people make the exact error that you have, without realizing that it actually UNDERMINES there particular god concept.
Things are not assumed true until proven false. They can't be because then all unknown things, including things which if true would contradict each other, would be automatically true. Such as "The lockness monster is a giant snake", and "The lockness monster is a dinosaur", would BOTH be true. That violates the law on non contradiction.
If we have to prove that the christian God dose not exist, then we also have to prove that Thor dose not exist. So there you have it. ALL gods exist according to your logic. The universe was created and is ruled by multiple gods simultaneously.
Xeon-The-Mg-Pony Graduate Thinker
Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 777
Posted:
Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:11 pm
gietalent wrote:
Moloth wrote:
Prove that there is a god.
a-theism = without belief.
a-symmetrical = without symmetry.
Do you believe in Loki, Poseidon, or Allah? no? then you are atheist towards those deities. you too are an atheist.
I dont have to prove there is a God, but you are the one who has to prove there is no God.
LOL I am luaghing at you. You must be a fan of Ray comfert eh?
So prove there is not a unicorn giving me the worlds best blow job right now? What's that you say? you can not prove that there is not an invisible unicorn giving me a blow job? Ah thats right you can't prove some thing that which does not exist, geting the hint yet? Dought it, you arren't sounding like the sharpest tool in the shed mate.
cheapsuprise Master of Logic
Joined: Apr 26, 2004
Posts: 5325
Location: Next door.
And Jews are right that prophecies in the Tanakh do not refer to Yeshua ! Christians just made up accounts to make it look as though they did. Yeshua said that not all would be dead when he came back, so he falsely propheside . Then Bashir Assad can safely aver that Damascus is still in existence!
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