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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:58 pm

I know you joined up 2 months before I did, and I think that is cool. On the seniority front though, I am an admin here, and trying to keep the place cleaned up.

Do enjoy posting though. Always good to see an old timer return! Smile

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:28 am

DemiBlooD wrote:

I never said gods were created by men, not that they couldn't be... I am suggesting a change in the definition of gods though,
I'm perplexed as to why no one is even curious enough to ask me questions about how my ideas work, rather than calling me a troll

...then why call them god/s?

Intern Joined: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 206 Location: Florida

I mean its completely logical, if you can think of human beings like they're any other organism

except almost all other organisms have DNA to tell them exactly what to do, or genetic memory that guides them, or some other system of guidance

but us, we're mostly lost without guidance, why do you think so many people turn to religion for help in the first place?
because they're lost without guidance...

Who do you think could design a construct, like an entire religion, I mean, L. Ron Hubbard said anyone could create a religion, but now Scientology has what, 2 million members?
The point here is, do you think you could create a religion? a religion that would grow to 2 million members?

There's obviously some loophole, or exploitable system, to emotions which allows the creation of an entirely new religion, look at how ridiculous the beliefs of Scientology are, Dianetics?

"The reactive mind is a concept in the Dianetics and Scientology systems of L. Ron Hubbard, referring to that portion of the human mind that is unconscious and stimulus-response"
otherwise known as emotions

Intern Joined: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 206 Location: Florida

I don't call them gods, they call themselves gods, we're the ones who use emotional constructs to try and understand them, rather than logical ones

"So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."
Isaiah 41:10

But they don't call themselves Gods any more, and why would they? why would they want to distinguish themselves from any other ordinary person, and be the targets of peoples emotions?

Could you imagine it?
real life gods being flesh and blood people, the result of them revealing themselves, they would probably receive worse than racism, we'd probably try to drive them to extinction.

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 549

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I'm perplexed as to why no one is even curious enough to ask me questions about how my ideas work, rather than calling me a troll

What are you suggesting the definition of God be changed to?

What reason should we have to consider your idea?

Is your idea falsifiable?

If it is not falsifiable, then it cannot be proven.

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I've got seniority over you by a couple of months

And yet, SVZurich has seniority over you by 18,836 posts.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:41 pm

Sadly, my higher count at AF doesn't carry back over to here. Wink

When the boards split, the number was duplicated and continued, and I mostly post there.

Newbie Joined: Sep 30, 2008 Posts: 14

It always amazes me when some troll claims he/she wants to "challenge or debate" when all they want is someone to agree with them. If you're that lonely - go have a talk with jeebus. He PROMISED to never leave you alone!

Intern Joined: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 206 Location: Florida

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What reason should we have to consider your idea?

You're absolutely right, you have no reason at all to consider my idea, the end of theism as it is known to be, atheism and agnosticism...
is of no interest to you.

I won't post any more

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:50 pm

And don't post any less! Stay and mingle!

Intern Joined: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 206 Location: Florida

SvZurich wrote:

And don't post any less! Stay and mingle!

And what reason do I have to do so?
I'm not an atheist, theist, or agnostic
I guess you could call me crazy, but I think of myself as a realist

The entire first page of this discussion is people calling me a troll for trying to tell them what I perceive as truth

anywise, my ideas don't really mesh with the rest of society, so I thought I could express them here, but I got shot down before I even started,
so whats the point, really?

Graduate Thinker Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 549

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You're absolutely right, you have no reason at all to consider my idea, the end of theism as it is known to be, atheism and agnosticism...
is of no interest to you.

I won't post any more

You are just suggesting things and not saying anything additional to back them up. You could come up with a few explanations for your idea and present them, but that's clearly not what you are doing. I am asking you for arguments/statements/explanations for your position. I also see you haven't bothered answering any of my other questions. I wonder why that is?

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The entire first page of this discussion is people calling me a troll for trying to tell them what I perceive as truth

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I'm not an atheist, theist, or agnostic

If you believe your scenario and support the changing of the definition of the word god to support it, then there is no way that you are not a theist.

Intern Joined: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 206 Location: Florida

Its not your fault really, I decided not to push the topic for several reasons,

1) because I got immediate negative feedback, I expected this anywise

2) because I've been diagnosed mentally ill (specifically for my ideas on good, evil, and free will, which isn't really important)

3) because it might be socially destructive

4) because I was angry at 'gods' for stealing a 'demon' from me, (hahaha, I was possessed, don't ask) and trying to get vengeance by doing this

so I've changed my mind about trying to open peoples eyes.

I'm not a theist because I don't believe gods (as they were) exist any more, I'm not an atheist because I believe they existed at one point in time, and I'm not agnostic, because I have a belief about gods

I guess you could call me a theist for having a belief about gods, but that would be abnormal, I've always been a nonconformist anywise

none of this matters.

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:47 pm

I want a pet demon! Or at least to befriend one (and maybe sleep with one, depending on its nature and appearance). Wink


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