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ForeverSaved
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:46 am |
 
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Christianity does not say you won't go to hell for rejecting Christ.
God created man to be with. Your choice to go to Hell is your own choice. Why blame God for your own choice? |
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ForeverSaved
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:47 am |
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An eternal separation from God is the torture you speak of. How can you be with God if you reject Him?
Why blame God for your own choice to reject Him? |
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Stuz719
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Joined: Apr 22, 2005
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:53 am |
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| Christianity does not say you won't go to hell for rejecting Christ. |
So if I reject I go to hell.
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| God created man to be with. Your choice to go to Hell is your own choice. Why blame God for your own choice? |
So why are only some allowed to be with god?
"Be with me or be tortured eternally in a lake of fire" is not a choice.
If god is omniscient (which he must be, by definition) then he would know what everyone would choose, therefore free will is an illusion because your fate is predestined, otherwise god would not know what you would choose, so he would not be omniscient (and therefore not a god, by definition).
Do you see that your arguments just don't stand up?
Tell you what, I'll reiterate that one really simply for you:
a) a god must be omniscient
b) man has free will
c) therefore god cannot know what man will choose (otherwise the will is not free)
d) therefore god is not omniscient
e) therefore god cannot exist |
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ForeverSaved
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:55 am |
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Everyone is born into sin (except the first God-conscious man and woman), so everyone has to go to hell unless God gives a solution. If you reject His solution, you go to Hell.
God predestines by foreknowing your free-choice. Somehow God can foresee all things but also gives you free-will made in His image. You are sovereign being. You're not a robot as calvinists teach. Lots of false things out there: unsaved tares trying to look like the saved wheat. |
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Stuz719
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Joined: Apr 22, 2005
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:58 am |
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Everyone is born into sin (except the first God-conscious man and woman), so everyone has to go to hell unless God gives a solution.
God predestines by foreknowing your free-choice. |
So infants who die are condemned to an eternity being tortured in a lake of fire, because they are too young to know god. How kind of your god to reserve this fate for them.
So my choice is not free, because god already knows the choice I will make.
You have contradicted yourself. |
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ForeverSaved
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:01 am |
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God applies the rule called age of accountability, so until a child grows up old enough to have authentic choice, before then children are saved, assuming the child would not have grown up to never receive Christ.
Your choice is free and God foreknows your free-choice. No contradiction. |
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Stuz719
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:10 am |
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| God applies the rule called age of accountability, so until a child grows up old enough to have authentic choice, before then children are saved, assuming the child would not have grown up to never receive Christ. |
What is this age? What about the mentally impaired?
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| Your choice is free and God foreknows your free-choice. No contradiction. |
Then my choice is not free.
There is contradiction. If my choice were free it would not be possible to know it beforehand.
You are talking piffle. |
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ForeverSaved
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:16 am |
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The mentally impaired have free-will and God never gives a person more than they can handle.
God works outside time and space so He can foreknow your free-choice. |
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Cygnus
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Joined: Mar 26, 2008
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:15 am |
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The mentally impaired have free-will and God never gives a person more than they can handle.
God works outside time and space so He can foreknow your free-choice. |
First of all, the mentally impaired are limited in the ways they can act. They have no free will because they can't control themselves.
Second, if god was outside space and time, then he would not be able to perceive time, he would not be able to do anything as time is necessary for all things to happen. |
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slicea1a
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Joined: Jun 06, 2005
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Location: Lincoln, NE
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:01 am |
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The mentally impaired have free-will and God never gives a person more than they can handle.
God works outside time and space so He can foreknow your free-choice. |
If God works outside time and space and foreknows our choices....
WHY ARE YOU ON THIS BOARD?
He knows your arguments won't sway anyone. You're wasting your time. You're wasting our time.
Well, at least you are entertaining at times. |
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Cygnus
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God never gives a person more than they can handle.
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Except those who commit suicide because of extreme depression. And those others who go insane for some reason or another.
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Well, at least you are entertaining at times.
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No, not really. At least Missionary was somewhat intelligent. |
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Kavik
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Joined: Apr 26, 2004
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Location: Penguin Associates Club
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:28 am |
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| Man is perfectly created. Because he chooses to sin doesn't mean he is not perfectly created. |
| ForeverSaved wrote: |
| Everyone is born into sin (except the first God-conscious man and woman), so everyone has to go to hell unless God gives a solution. If you reject His solution, you go to Hell. |
What? |
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slicea1a
The Learned
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:30 pm |
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| No, not really. At least Missionary was somewhat intelligent. |
I sure miss Missionary. Maybe he'll come back someday |
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Cygnus
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Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:26 am |
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| ForeverSaved wrote: |
| Man is perfectly created. Because he chooses to sin doesn't mean he is not perfectly created. |
| ForeverSaved wrote: |
| Everyone is born into sin (except the first God-conscious man and woman), so everyone has to go to hell unless God gives a solution. If you reject His solution, you go to Hell. |
What? |
Exactly what I was thinking. But that's what religion does to you, after all. It just affects some people worse than others. |
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baddogma
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Joined: Feb 02, 2006
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Location: Colorado
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Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:35 pm |
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The mentally impaired have free-will and God never gives a person more than they can handle.
God works outside time and space so He can foreknow your free-choice. |
prove it. |
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