Purpose

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

Philisophically, if there is no God, there is no purpose and if there is no purpose, you might as well kill yourself or kill anything you please because it doesn't matter anyway as far as you are concerned. This leads me to believe Satan wants you to kill yourself or make you think if you do, it doesn't matter anyway. This renders atheism and agnosticism morally bankrupt. Why go through the struggles of life when you can just kill yourself. It would be easier if you agnostics and atheists were to allow natural selection to take place by killing yourselves off so there are no more of you. Then if you have any energy left over kill others as your persuasion, following in the footsteps of your teachers such as Hitler, Stalin and Polpot, etc. who killed 200 million in the 20th century alone (having nothing to do with religion), but make sure you do yourself in first as I would prefer to live.

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:38 pm

*yawn* Boring. Proselytizing doesn't work on Apostates. Sorry dear.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

Do you know why? It is because to be born-again, you need a personal revelation in your spirit of God which God only gives if you come to Him with an honest heart. That means you are being dishonest with yourself. What a way to live.

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:27 pm

Or that I was once at your stage, and have since grown up and moved on. The difference between me and you is that I have already walked a mile in your shoes. You have not yet learned to walk without a crutch. I pity you and your delusions.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

According to the Bible, you have not taken one step where I am now, for I am a new creation and you only thought you were before since your spirit was never quickened with God's life and indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:41 am

According to the Bible... LOL.

The things you are liable to read in the Bible... It ain't necessarily so. :3

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:24 am

ForeverSaved wrote:

According to the Bible, you have not taken one step where I am now, for I am a new creation and you only thought you were before since your spirit was never quickened with God's life and indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

According to the same bible we (Followers of God I mean) can murder entire ethnic groups and divide up the virgin girls as war booty. Read all about it in Numbers chapter 31. God is Love Smile

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

Always read in context. These nations Israel wars against perform human sacrifices and child sacrifices. Why defend human sacrifices? God brought Israel into Canaan to stop their heinous sins, even annihilate their societies if they refused to stop murdering innocents generation after generation. Generation after generation, even with a small remnant, these nations in Canaan continued to perform human sacrifice rituals.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:59 am

ForeverSaved wrote:

Always read in context. These nations Israel wars against perform human sacrifices and child sacrifices. Why defend human sacrifices? God brought Israel into Canaan to stop their heinous sins, even annihilate their societies if they refused to stop murdering innocents generation after generation. Generation after generation, even with a small remnant, these nations in Canaan continued to perform human sacrifice rituals.

You're defending genocide here. I hope you realise that.

In context or out of it, God commands atrocities to be committed in his name. If you think that's okay, then you scare me. Stay away from me and my friends and family.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

I am not defending genocide. I am defending a people have a right to protect themselves against these evil nations trying to annihilate Israel and engaging in the worse crimes in history - human sacrifices. You are defending this practice. The real problem is your faith in atheism which has killed over 200 million people in the 20th century.

It's also disingenuous of you to compare then difficulties of mankind then to now. Perhaps an example would help you. Let's say you lived on a small island and you had 10 friends. But there was also 5 other tribes of various group sizes from 10 to 50. Each of them partook in human sacrifices, which is symptomatic of their evil hearts, and in the still of the night would come to try to slit the throat of your tribe members while your were sleeping.

You are put into a position to defend yourself. This is what it was like in Canaan. To save yourself and your tribe you might have to annihilate a couple tribes because if you don't your own tribe will cease to exist. As proof of this necessity, Israel remains, and guess what? The tribes engaged in human sacrifices today no longer exist. You lose.

The question is why did you lose? You lost because you worshiped a false god that taught you to engage in human sacrifices, so God is a righteous God and will not allow that to continue indefinitely.

Aren't you embarrassed? Is your conscience so dead to God that you can't feel embarrassment by your current beliefs?

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:58 am

Hey Forever Saved! Welcome!

ForeverSaved wrote:

The real problem is your faith in atheism

Atheism, is a lack of belief in a god or gods. if atheism is a faith, then unemployment is a career.

ForeverSaved wrote:

.....You are put into a position to defend yourself...

Why would you have to defend yourself if the almighty all powerful all loving all knowing God of the universe was on your side? There have been instances where the God of the bible has directly intervened on behalf of man, so would it be too much of a stretch to say he could intervene then?

ForeverSaved wrote:

This is what it was like in Canaan. To save yourself and your tribe you might have to annihilate a couple tribes because if you don't your own tribe will cease to exist.

Again, your analogy fails, because God could have just as easily come down from the heavens, given them a stern talking to, or done any other manner of nonviolent means to end the fighting.

ForeverSaved wrote:

As proof of this necessity, Israel remains

Again, what necessity? See above.

ForeverSaved wrote:

You Lose.

Play again?

ForeverSaved wrote:

Aren't you embarrassed?

nahhh.

ForeverSaved wrote:

Is your conscience so dead to God....

Well, I like to phrase it more like "God is dead" (has a nice ring to it).

ForeverSaved wrote:

...that you can't feel embarrassment by your current beliefs?

I'm no more embarrassed about my lack of belief than I am about not basing my life on my lack of belief in the existence of elves.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

Atheism is belief there is no uncreated Creator. God employs man to do His will. God doesn't coerce, so He must abide in reality. God is not dead, your spirit is dead to God; proven by the fact that there must be an uncreated Creator. You should be embarrassed.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:59 am

ForeverSaved wrote:

Atheism is belief there is no uncreated Creator.

Atheism:

"a"= without
"theism"= god belief

without god belief.

Quote:

God is not dead, your spirit is dead to God; proven by the fact that there must be an uncreated Creator.

True, because your idea of god would have to been alive first rather then just another god in a long progression of anthropogenic god myths.

Quote:

You should be embarrassed.

You should be deprogrammed.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:21 am

ForeverSaved wrote:

Atheism is belief there is no uncreated Creator.

Which dictionary are you using?

ForeverSaved wrote:

God employs man to do His will.

So, does that mean that all the suicide bombers the world has experienced so far were doing the will of god almighty? If no, then so does god not employ man to do his will? Or just some of the time? and why not just do it himself?

ForeverSaved wrote:

God doesn't coerce, so He must abide in reality.

What, I don't follow??

ForeverSaved wrote:

God is not dead, your spirit is dead to God;

Well presupposing your god existed, and if I had a 'spirit'.

ForeverSaved wrote:

proven by the fact that there must be an uncreated Creator.

With respect to the quote before, isn't that circular reasoning?

ForeverSaved wrote:

You should be embarrassed.

we've been over this, so i'll just reiterate:

Partisan wrote:

I'm no more embarrassed about my lack of belief than I am about not basing my life on my lack of belief in the existence of elves.

Intern Joined: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 287

You need to be deprogrammed from an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Your innerman is your spirit; your outerman is your soul and body,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/SMCFP.htm

And since nothing in nature can cause itself, there must be an uncreated Creator. Suicide bombers never saw Jesus resurrected. Six centuries later they following a guy (mohammed) in a cave all by himself who wrote that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Dude, you need evidence.

Calling Jesus a liar and blow yourself up seems to be the order of the day.


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