Get a dictionary and look up the word conscience, not consciousness. It is special pleading to say something happened all by itself in nature when there are trillions of causes but no evidence for puff the magic dragon. It's proven Jesus is resurrected because scholars don't know how to explain it away. You can sin and laugh at the same time.
MockingGods Philosophical Prodigy
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Get a dictionary and look up the word conscience, not consciousness.
I'm well aware of what the word conscience means, what I'm uncertain about is how you're using it to argue causality. In common parlance, conscience means a sense of right or wrong. If you're saying that because we, the human species, hasn't developed a perfect sense of right or wrong it proves your uncaused caused god, that's another absurdity. Even if it was possible to develop a perfect sense of conscience (and I won't concede this point), the human species has only existed for about 150k years, and as with what we know about living organisms, they're not constant or immutable.
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It is special pleading to say something happened all by itself in nature when there are trillions of causes but no evidence for puff the magic dragon.
Ironic, when you're asking me to believe in a magic, invisible, self-resurrecting, sky god. Causation happens all the time without conscious input. We no longer need myths to explain causality.
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It's proven Jesus is resurrected because scholars don't know how to explain it away.
Wow... "it's proven" because something can't be explained. That statement is just... breathtaking. Just because something can't be explained (and I think myth/legend explains it perfectly) doesn't mean your absurd and highly improbable conclusion is accurate.
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You can sin and laugh at the same time.
It's better to laugh then cry over humans still believing in superstitions. Sin is just a ridiculous religious concept.
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:33 am
We know unequivocally that the exponential progression of conscience exists; for example, human sacrifices are no longer prevalent. Women can vote this past century and crime rate per capita is down.
With or without conscious input, there is a cause and effect to all things in nature; ergo, nature can't cause itself, so there must be an uncreated Creator, for no other option exists.
Myth doesn't qualify as an explanation for the resurrected Jesus since scholars truly believe the apostles believed they saw Jesus resurrected and Jesus walked the earth.
That the universe always existed is a myth, and it is your sin, because it is disproven.
MockingGods Philosophical Prodigy
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:09 am
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We know unequivocally that the exponential progression of conscience exists; for example, human sacrifices are no longer prevalent. Women can vote this past century and crime rate per capita is down.
What we think of as right and wrong changes over time, it evolves and becomes more reciprocally balanced. This has to be the oddest and most obtuse argument for an uncaused cause I've ever been exposed too. It's ridiculously puerile.
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With or without conscious input, there is a cause and effect to all things in nature; ergo, nature can't cause itself, so there must be an uncreated Creator, for no other option exists.
More naked assertions. Prove what composes the material hasn't always existed. Then while you're at it, prove natural interactions can't impact/change other things in nature. Simple water running over rocks causes a change in their structure. Gravity causes planets to form and stars to fuse atoms. All of these natural mechanisms function without spooky invisible input.
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Myth doesn't qualify as an explanation for the resurrected Jesus since scholars truly believe the apostles believed they saw Jesus resurrected and Jesus walked the earth.
Myth is by far the most probable explanation for most of bible, regardless of what scholars believe or don't believe. The Adam and Eve story is a myth. The Noah's Ark story is a myth. The Tower of Babel story is a myth. The Jesus resurrection story is a myth.
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That the universe always existed is a myth, and it is your sin, because it is disproven.
If you're referring to the universe as what we've detected so far, then it's a naturally evolving, non-static collection of matter. It appeared to form with a rapid expansion about 15 billion years ago. Before that, we don't know what state the matter comprised or what took place before the expansion. This doesn't mean some magic sky god poofed it into existence and it also doesn't mean its constituent parts didn't exist prior to the expansion.
Just a helpful hint: give up on the "sin" crap, it's making you look silly.
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:28 am
Ther exponential progression of conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, since you would not still be sinning by now.
Murder is sin. Why do you think murder is ok?
Scholars don't believe Jesus is a myth; they believed he really walked the earth, so you go against your own fellow skeptics.
baddogma Grand Poster
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:07 pm
ForeverSaved wrote:
Get a dictionary and look up the word conscience, not consciousness. It is special pleading to say something happened all by itself in nature when there are trillions of causes but no evidence for puff the magic dragon. It's proven Jesus is resurrected because scholars don't know how to explain it away. You can sin and laugh at the same time.
You just contradicted yourself troll.
How has this fucktard not gotten banned for breaking the rules?!?
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:17 pm
Why do you call me a troll? Why are you swearing? That is not love. In the olden days you would have tried to kill me, now all you can do is get me banned.
baddogma Grand Poster
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:24 pm
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Why do you call me a troll? Why are you swearing? That is not love. In the olden days you would have tried to kill me, now all you can do is get me banned.
It is your holey book that says to kill the non-believer. Stop projecting. I only swear at people I have no respect for. fuckyouverymuch.
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:38 pm
I have no respect you are going to Hell, but I am not swearing. Where did Jesus say kill the non-believer? Do you deny the martyrdom of the Church?
MockingGods Philosophical Prodigy
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:40 pm
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Ther exponential progression of conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, since you would not still be sinning by now.
I've addressed this enough, it's a ridiculous argument.
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Murder is sin. Why do you think murder is ok?
Murder is something that is commonly held as socially immoral (what difines a "murder" is relative).
Sin is commonly understood as an offense against a god, I don't believe in gods so sin is irrelevant.
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Scholars don't believe Jesus is a myth; they believed he really walked the earth, so you go against your own fellow skeptics.
There are plenty of skeptical scholars that believe some, if not all the Jesus story is a myth.
I'll quote you the Christian scholar and eminent humanitarian Albert Schweitzer
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The Jesus of Nazareth who came forward publicly as the Messiah, who preached the ethic of the Kingdom of God, who founded the Kingdom of Heaven upon earth, and died to give His work its final consecration, never had any existence. He is a figure designed by rationalism, endowed with life by liberalism, and clothed by modern theology in a historical garb.
baddogma Grand Poster
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:42 pm
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I have no respect you are going to Hell, but I am not swearing. Where did Jesus say kill the non-believer? Do you deny the martyrdom of the Church?
Jesus said "those that do not accept me as their king, bring them before me and slay them"Luke 19:27 non-believers are condemned Mark 16:16 all blasphemers are to be put to death Lev 24:16
MockingGods Philosophical Prodigy
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:43 pm
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I have no respect you are going to Hell, but I am not swearing. Where did Jesus say kill the non-believer? Do you deny the martyrdom of the Church?
It's wrong to kill the non-believer but it's ok to send them to hell...
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:43 pm
It's ok to keep someone in jail for life.
MockingGods Philosophical Prodigy
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:50 pm
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It's ok to keep someone in jail for life.
It's not ok to torture someone.
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:53 pm
So don't torture people. I think you are torturing yourself by going to Hell.
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